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Old 07-28-2014, 12:42 PM
 
Location: New York City
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Because dropping GPS guided bombs is much much cheaper than firing missiles.
If we're using our strategic bomber fleet to bomb the **** out of people, we won't care about the cost.

But anyways, missiles are much more efficient than bombs. You need a big, lumbering aircraft to drop the bombs, depending on the mission you might need escort fighters, you need to factor in fuel for the return journey, and you need pilots. Things that add to the cost of using bombers.
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Old 07-28-2014, 12:44 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Because dropping GPS guided bombs is much much cheaper than firing missiles.
Well, B-52s are quite capable of dropping GPS guided bombs so still no reason to replace it, eh?
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Old 07-28-2014, 12:49 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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I don't care if it's Switzerland that is seeking to obtain nuclear weapons. As more nations obtain them we are that much closer to a nuclear armed conflict. NK and Iran are of particular concern for two different reasons. The top leadership in NK is simply insane and the leadership in Iran has religious reasons.

I think you have to ask yourself how much confidence you would put in a Christian Fundamentalist being in charge of nuclear weapons here in the US. I know that wouldn't make me feel safe.
I think we've caused ourselves far more problems making lame attempts to reshape the world to our liking than have been caused by what other countries are doing. Attacking others because they might someday do something to us is just an extension of that ill-conceived policy.
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Old 07-28-2014, 01:25 PM
 
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Because dropping GPS guided bombs is much much cheaper than firing missiles, plus the sheer quantity of munitions that can be carried and deployed over a long period of time is unmatched.

Plus you cannot look at just the cost of building the new bomber, you have to look at the costs compared to maintain the current fleet. The older the design the more maintenance needed per hour of flight time. If too much maintenance is required then you have to either reduce flights or increase units to keep the same capabilities.

In the grand scheme of military contracts, replacing an air craft that served during the Korean War is probably a good place to spend the money.
100 bombers at 550 million dollars is insane when this country already has complete air supremacy. It can't be justified.

Not to mention that the 550 is horribly underestimated.
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Old 07-28-2014, 01:34 PM
 
Location: New York City
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In the grand scheme of military contracts, replacing an air craft that served during the Korean War is probably a good place to spend the money.
B-52s didn't serve in Korea. Their first conflict was Vietnam, in the massive bombing campaigns like Rolling Thunder. When Korea was happening we were still using propeller-powered Superfortresses.

Instead of developing a new strategic bomber from scratch, we should just invest more into cruise missile tech and buy some more B-1s and B-2s.
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Old 07-28-2014, 01:37 PM
 
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If we're using our strategic bomber fleet to bomb the **** out of people, we won't care about the cost.

But anyways, missiles are much more efficient than bombs. You need a big, lumbering aircraft to drop the bombs, depending on the mission you might need escort fighters, you need to factor in fuel for the return journey, and you need pilots. Things that add to the cost of using bombers.
But big, lumbering aircraft are reusable, missiles not so much.
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Old 07-28-2014, 01:40 PM
 
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But big, lumbering aircraft are reusable, missiles not so much.
Missiles are a lot harder to shoot down. Missiles can be launched from an aircraft, from a ship, from a truck, from pretty much anywhere. B-52s and aircraft like it, require massive airstrips and need a huge amount of logistic support. Missiles put less of our pilots in danger. Missiles are more precise than carpet-bombing, even if the carpet-bombing is done with guided bombs. Missiles don't need escort fighters. Missiles don't need to worry about refueling over the Atlantic before reaching their target.
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Old 07-28-2014, 01:45 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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B-52s didn't serve in Korea. Their first conflict was Vietnam, in the massive bombing campaigns like Rolling Thunder. When Korea was happening we were still using propeller-powered Superfortresses.

Instead of developing a new strategic bomber from scratch, we should just invest more into cruise missile tech and buy some more B-1s and B-2s.
They flew in Korea
Boeing B-52 Stratofortress - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cost:
Tomahawk cruise missle, 1.4 million dollars each, payload 1k pounds
GPS guided jdam. 25k each, payload 2,000 pounds.

So you can deliver twice the payload for a very small fraction of the price.

Don't forget the price to build the warships to linger within firing range, the increase in warships needed to store the increase of tomahawks needed in a region, etc.

Like I said, a large capacity bomber that is relatively low cost to other air planes is needed to replace the 60 year old fleet of b52's

An aegis class destroyer can carry 56 tomahawk cruise missiles, delivery 56k pounds of ordinance at the cost of 78 million dollars. A B52 can carry 70,000 pounds of guided ordinance at the cost of less than 1 million dollars.

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Old 07-28-2014, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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A Boeing 777 is $330 million, so $550 million isn't outrageous to replace aging 60 year old B-52s.

Next-Generation Bomber - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
$100,000 might be a good price for a modern Porsche too, that doesn't mean the government needs to buy them. Why do we need more bombers? Are we going to start carpet bombing someone again?
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Old 07-28-2014, 01:46 PM
 
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Missiles are a lot harder to shoot down. Missiles can be launched from an aircraft, from a ship, from a truck, from pretty much anywhere. B-52s and aircraft like it, require massive airstrips and need a huge amount of logistic support. Missiles put less of our pilots in danger. Missiles are more precise than carpet-bombing, even if the carpet-bombing is done with guided bombs. Missiles don't need escort fighters. Missiles don't need to worry about refueling over the Atlantic before reaching their target.
I could write a book about what you don't know about this subject.
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