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Name one country with better health care than the US that also has at least 50 states, 1 district, 5 territories, 318 million people, 5 ethnic groups, at least two major languages and 9.162 million sq km of land?
Must it also have both stars and stripes in its flag, or would that make it too obvious?
I never understood why the high number of users would make it harder. Shouldn't economies of scale kick in?
What des America's innovation in medical knowledge and practice have to do whether a carpenter can afford to have his testicular cancer treated without his family going bankrupt?
Funny you should mention that - I seem to recall a carpenter's son who had something to say on the moral obligation to help the sick and poor. His thoughts are supposedly quite influential on the right-hand side of US politics, although it's hard to tell from their actual policies.
Must it also have both stars and stripes in its flag, or would that make it too obvious?
I never understood why the high number of users would make it harder. Shouldn't economies of scale kick in?
It matters quite a bit actually.
First, those claiming the US should have UHC or SP or whatever should be able to provide proof that it will actually work in the US. If they don't have any examples then they're just guessing.
Second, the US is a federal republic, not a unitary state. The onerous should be on those people propagandizing the health care system in the US and in their own country to try and change our system to something it is not and never has been. "Federal" should be a huge hint.
Health care in the US is about 1/6th of the economy. The FEDERAL government has no business running large sections of the economy for any number of reasons but the most important is that this system was never setup to do that and there is no proof from anyone advocating nationalizing 1/6th of the US economy that it would work.
As far as economies of scale goes it is true that you can get benefits from that. However, first it must be proven that nationalizing the system we have in place would even work and it would not just go totally FUBAR and turn into a monopolized system where those who own the politicians weed out their own competition and in turn fill the coffers of those politicians so they can weed out their political "enemies."
There is nothing competitive about the system we have now. When POH had 48 of the top 100 spots given for performance and efficiency by CMS get told they can no longer expand or start new POHs because their competition banned them in the UACA there is no proof nationalizing the HC industry will do anything beneficial. Fix the monopolies first and then we can have an honest debate about single-payer if there's even a need for it by then.
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Federal republic - a state in which the powers of the central government are restricted and in which the component parts (states, colonies, or provinces) retain a degree of self-government; ultimate sovereign power rests with the voters who chose their governmental representatives.
Name one country with better health care than the US that also has at least 50 states, 1 district, 5 territories, 318 million people, 5 ethnic groups, at least two major languages and 9.162 million sq km of land?
Take your time, we'll still be here when you get back.
What does that have to do with ANYTHING? We have 2 major languages, more land than you do and every province manages it's own healthcare. Every state you have can do it, too.
Now they're going to whine that Canadians have no business posting here. It's all they've got.
One of the first things I'd do is slap an export tax on all drugs leaving the US to countries that have price controls for drugs instead of laying most of the burden on US consumers. Countries like India that are ignoring US patents would suffer severe economic consequences.
What des America's innovation in medical knowledge and practice have to do whether a carpenter can afford to have his testicular cancer treated without his family going bankrupt?
Without innovation the carpenter and everyone else gets to kiss their ass goodbye.
Must it also have both stars and stripes in its flag, or would that make it too obvious?
I never understood why the high number of users would make it harder. Shouldn't economies of scale kick in?
True. The US may have ten times the population of Canada, but it also has ten times the number of doctors and healthcare facilities. So there is no logical reason why single-payer wouldn't work just because of a bigger population.
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It matters quite a bit actually.
First, those claiming the US should have UHC or SP or whatever should be able to provide proof that it will actually work in the US. If they don't have any examples then they're just guessing.
True. The US may have ten times the population of Canada, but it also has ten times the number of doctors and healthcare facilities. So there is no logical reason why single-payer wouldn't work just because of a bigger population.
Vermont has single payer healthcare and it seems to be working out just fine for them.
Is that proof enough for you?
Lol, Vermont has not implemented its single payer system yet.....and most likely never will.
52 million Americans on Medicare many of them conservatives seem to love Medicare...
10 million Veterans served by the VA love VA care many also conservatives.
10 million more Americans in the services served by Tricare seem to love that government system.
At least 60 million Americans and arguably most vote Republican love gubbermint health care. If its good enough for conservatives isnt it good enough for the rest of us?
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