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For those that make that exception, they are being totally hypocritical based on their personal bias against those acts.
The fact most of them base it on that those occurrences may be more psychologically difficult for the mother, they discount the possibly just as dire difficulties some other woman would have as not worthy reasons.
The fact that even those babies of those two particular instances can be given up for adoption (a shortage always of newborns) means they wouldn't have to raise them.
IOW, the main concern with these hypocrites is not the mother or the child...just their own feelings
Unless the life of the mother is at stake, it's either right or wrong.
Full disclosure going in, I am pro-choice and believe abortion should be a woman's legal right up until the point the fetus is viable with medical intervention. I believe that since we have no unanimous scientific/non-partisan consensus about when life begins we must lean toward less government oversight regarding reproductive rights and concede that we can all agree a baby, capable of living outside its mother's body even with the help of machines is unique individual with legal rights and protections. So anyway, that's my belief just to be open up front
I COMPLETELY understand and respect why people are pro-life. I can imagine if I believed it were murder I would also be adamantly opposed to it and I don't disrespect people who are pro-life nor label them as anti-woman or misogynistic. I admire their passion in fighting for the innocent lives they perceive as being lost.
Here's where I get stuck though, and I ask this question with genuine curiosity. I hear so many people say they are against abortion except in cases of rape or incest. By WHY this exemption? Surely if you believe it to be an innocent life it is innocent from the moment of conception regardless of how it was conceived? If it should have the rights of a full-term infant, why is it ok to terminate because at least one of its parents was a criminal or sexual deviant?
Thanks so much for helping me understand
I am unsurprised that this thread has gone on for six pages without one of the people you're addressing actually answering the question with the truth.
There's so much moral gymnastics going on here to hide their real agenda, we should all be holding up score cards.
The answer to your question, OP, is, and always has been, that they don't really care about abortion. They're perfectly comfortable making exceptions to the baby murder that they otherwise rave about because what they really want to stop is women having sex.
In their view, women should have sex only in order to procreate and then spend the rest of their lives popping out babies, raising children, and dying young, just like in the good old days.
Remember when the Hobby Lobby decision was handed down, and the right went wild applauding the end of "consequence-free sex?"
Remember Sandra Fluke, and how the right called her a sl*t? (Even though she took the pill for endometriosis... what's a silly fact got to do with this ugly agenda, right?)
Read some threads here for awhile. The right has no problem spending tax dollars on murdering civilians in Iraq, but by God, don't you dare allow my tax dollars help women have sex!!!!
You see the answer to your question, OP, has been in the open all the time. You just have to overlook the mouth-frothing lies they use to try to disguise it.
Full disclosure here. I'm a liberal homo atheist. I am 100% pro-life regardless of incest or rape. Life begins at conception. Punish the rapist, not the child.
ITA. An innocent life is an innocent life. I think that women need a lot of support if they are victims of rape or incest. Interestingly, I remember reading when I was working on a paper in psychology class in college that incest victims often welcome the pregnancy because it brings their plight to light and they see the resulting child as kind of their savior. You can't hide incest anymore when your 12 year old is pregnant.
In a case of rape, the choice is the woman living with having been assaulted and the knowledge that somewhere out there is a child who is loved and wanted or living with having been assaulted and having ordered the unborn child to be assaulted by the abortionist and the memory of having gone through the abortion.
On top of that is the that I believe an innocent life is an innocent life. Why did I deserve to die because my father attacked my mother? Am I some kind of monster? Am I less human than you are? What about me announces to those of you who think I should have been killed that I deserved to have died?
Fair enough so to answer your question. The reason for the exemptions is because you are never going to get a law passed without them.
Practically speaking, I believe that is it.
OP is correct that the exception is not exactly consistent with the rest of the pro-life rhetoric.
Abortion has been a pretty weak issue for the right wing IMHO, only made stronger in the last few years by the excesses of late term and partial birth abortions. Had we stuck to a sensible limit on how late an abortion could be performed, I think this would have become more and more of a fringe issue.
I am unsurprised that this thread has gone on for six pages without one of the people you're addressing actually answering the question with the truth.
Not at all, it was answered specifically by more than one poster on the first page alone. I just replied to the one that I thought was most realistic.
And there is another answer just above your own that does specifically address the OP's question.
Even if you've not read the 4 pages in between, these should have been pretty obvious.
Full disclosure going in, I am pro-choice and believe abortion should be a woman's legal right up until the point the fetus is viable with medical intervention. I believe that since we have no unanimous scientific/non-partisan consensus about when life begins we must lean toward less government oversight regarding reproductive rights and concede that we can all agree a baby, capable of living outside its mother's body even with the help of machines is unique individual with legal rights and protections. So anyway, that's my belief just to be open up front
I COMPLETELY understand and respect why people are pro-life. I can imagine if I believed it were murder I would also be adamantly opposed to it and I don't disrespect people who are pro-life nor label them as anti-woman or misogynistic. I admire their passion in fighting for the innocent lives they perceive as being lost.
Here's where I get stuck though, and I ask this question with genuine curiosity. I hear so many people say they are against abortion except in cases of rape or incest. By WHY this exemption? Surely if you believe it to be an innocent life it is innocent from the moment of conception regardless of how it was conceived? If it should have the rights of a full-term infant, why is it ok to terminate because at least one of its parents was a criminal or sexual deviant?
Thanks so much for helping me understand
My rationale for this exemption is that the pregnancy was the result of a crime. I am comfortable with the idea of terminating a pregnancy where it was not a choice the mother made.
All other pregnancies were the result of an affirmative choice by the woman. If you create a new life by choice, you should not be able to terminate it. It does not matter to me where some say life begins. It is clearly not the same being as the woman - it has related but different DNA.
What in the world are you talking about? Im not afraid or threatened by you at all. I think youre set in your decision to say its a womans right to decide. Thats not scary.
Whats scary is that its 5am EST and im fighting with you rather than getting much needed sleep. Goodnight for now.
Disagreeing with anything seen as a women's issue will invariably result in your being accused of being insecure about independent women. It is, and has been for years, the go-to kneejerk response. It's the equivalent of telling someone who doesn't like Obama that they are racist. It's a way of shutting down the discussion without needing to have an actual response to what was said.
My rationale for this exemption is that the pregnancy was the result of a crime. I am comfortable with the idea of terminating a pregnancy where it was not a choice the mother made.
All other pregnancies were the result of an affirmative choice by the woman. If you create a new life by choice, you should not be able to terminate it. It does not matter to me where some say life begins. It is clearly not the same being as the woman - it has related but different DNA.
in other words it is about punishment for the women having sex. saying yes to sex is not saying yes to pregnancy. different DNA, so what? it has to gestate in a womb. no woman in america should be forced to carry a pregnancy to term against her will. and yes she can have all the sex she wants
Full disclosure going in, I am pro-choice and believe abortion should be a woman's legal right up until the point the fetus is viable with medical intervention. I believe that since we have no unanimous scientific/non-partisan consensus about when life begins we must lean toward less government oversight regarding reproductive rights and concede that we can all agree a baby, capable of living outside its mother's body even with the help of machines is unique individual with legal rights and protections. So anyway, that's my belief just to be open up front
I COMPLETELY understand and respect why people are pro-life. I can imagine if I believed it were murder I would also be adamantly opposed to it and I don't disrespect people who are pro-life nor label them as anti-woman or misogynistic. I admire their passion in fighting for the innocent lives they perceive as being lost.
Here's where I get stuck though, and I ask this question with genuine curiosity. I hear so many people say they are against abortion except in cases of rape or incest. By WHY this exemption? Surely if you believe it to be an innocent life it is innocent from the moment of conception regardless of how it was conceived? If it should have the rights of a full-term infant, why is it ok to terminate because at least one of its parents was a criminal or sexual deviant?
Thanks so much for helping me understand
You pose a good question. I am pro Life, but have always thought these types of exceptions should be made. Still, as you say- a life is a life- regardless of how it was concieved. I guess it's considered "asking too much" for a woman to bear a child under these circumstances.
ITA. An innocent life is an innocent life. I think that women need a lot of support if they are victims of rape or incest. Interestingly, I remember reading when I was working on a paper in psychology class in college that incest victims often welcome the pregnancy because it brings their plight to light and they see the resulting child as kind of their savior. You can't hide incest anymore when your 12 year old is pregnant.
In a case of rape, the choice is the woman living with having been assaulted and the knowledge that somewhere out there is a child who is loved and wanted or living with having been assaulted and having ordered the unborn child to be assaulted by the abortionist and the memory of having gone through the abortion.
On top of that is the that I believe an innocent life is an innocent life. Why did I deserve to die because my father attacked my mother? Am I some kind of monster? Am I less human than you are? What about me announces to those of you who think I should have been killed that I deserved to have died?
I used to make an exception for rape. Then I talked to a child of rape and he changed my mind about it.
Like I said. Punish he rapist, not the child. Otherwise, we're really not better than middle eastern countries that punish rape victims.
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