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Everybody's talking about evidence, evidence, evidence, but whenever someone follows the basic laws of reasoning they're being shot down for coming to the assumption that the witnesses who have come forward publicly are telling the truth.
And its the same few posters who are posting ZERO evidence to support their claim. I'm not gonna beat this point to death but I am going to make the point apparently clear.
Everybody's talking about evidence, evidence, evidence, but whenever someone follows the basic laws of reasoning they're being shot down for coming to the assumption that the witnesses who have come forward publicly are telling the truth.
And its the same few posters who are posting ZERO evidence to support their claim. I'm not gonna beat this point to death but I am going to make the point apparently clear.
I think you wouldn't likely have so much doubt cast upon the witnesses who have come forward thus far if the few who did lie didn't poison the well of public opinion, so to speak (e.g. Witness saying Brown was on knees and begging; Witness saying Brown was shot in the back).
The only assumption I'm making is that there needs to be evidence to back up the claim that Brown was attacking the officer. More evidence than his "friend" calling into the station and giving his side of the story when his statement hasn't even been made available to the public.
Everybody is talking about "waiting for a trial" but if there is no indictment there will be no trial. At this point, with multiple witnesses saying the same thing, there is very strong reason to believe there should be a trial.
The only option your presenting is that the witnesses are ALL lying.
I think you wouldn't likely have so much doubt cast upon the witnesses who have come forward thus far if the few who did lie didn't poison the well of public opinion, so to speak (e.g. Witness saying Brown was on knees and begging; Witness saying Brown was shot in the back).
Thank you for at least stating why you believe what you believe. That's all I'm trying to get at.
I keep getting attacked for suggesting exactly what the witnesses described but those who attack me aren't presenting any reasoning or anything of substance to back up your claim.
I can definitely get down with what your saying because there's an element of reason.
i regret the death of anyone. but the bull frog moral outrage needs to change. we should not inflate with moral outrage only occasionally but every time a young person is killed every time an old person is killed every time a child is raped and robbed and a merchant who serves us is beaten and robbed. the community should not blow up only when the offender is dressed in blue and wears a badge and a gun. how bout the killer and robber with the pants down 9mm and corn braids? why do you forgive this man? because he lives next door and you are afraid of him?
The only assumption I'm making is that there needs to be evidence to back up the claim that Brown was attacking the officer. More evidence than his "friend" calling into the station and giving his side of the story when his statement hasn't even been made available to the public.
Everybody is talking about "waiting for a trial" but if there is no indictment there will be no trial. At this point, with multiple witnesses saying the same thing, there is very strong reason to believe there should be a trial.
The only option your presenting is that the witnesses are ALL lying.
Do you understand what I am getting at?
Yes, you're saying that your mind is made up and that you're right.
Last edited by Speleothem; 09-10-2014 at 06:28 PM..
i regret the death of anyone. but the bull frog moral outrage needs to change. we should not inflate with moral outrage only occasionally but every time a young person is killed every time an old person is killed every time a child is raped and robbed and a merchant who serves us is beaten and robbed. the community should not blow up only when the offender is dressed in blue and wears a badge and a gun. how bout the killer and robber with the pants down 9mm and corn braids? why do you forgive this man? because he lives next door and you are afraid of him?
I understand your frustration but those are 2 separate issues.
The reason so many people have rallied to demand transparency and justice in this case is because of a history of corruption and foul play at the hands of LEO. Nothing else.
There is also a large assumption that community members aren't addressing other types of violence in their communities and that is wrong. There's several groups, organizations, churches, etc that do just that. They just don't always get the publicity.
It's kind of how everyone was lumped into "rioters and looters" when this whole event took off. That's not accurate all. There were people feeding officers and others who were in the area. There were those who were cleaning up the community during the day. There were those who were 100% peaceful and who really cared about justice.
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