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How do you know that the 20th century average was the scale upon which to measure the rest of time?
We are measuring anthropogenic climate change cause by burning fossil fuels. What other period is relevant?
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There are deserts and there are rain forests. The difference? The earths axis as we orbit the sun. That's what drives climate.
Actually those drive regional climate. GHGs and solar irradiance drive Global Climate
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Why don't you GWNJ's EVER mention the greenhouse gases produced by volcanoes? Why do I never see you blame saddam husseins burning of the oil fields? Because it doesn't fit your agenda.
Volcanic activity is included in all models. Over the period of 30+ years the impact of volcanic activity is relatively constant.
Why would we include the impact of Saddam burning Kuwait oilfields? It was stopped two decades ago.
You see anxious and grasping at straws. Be calm. The climate change issue is under control. We are phasing out coal, improving car mileage and reducing annual miles driven, and we are negotiating intra-country agreements that will bring along other countries in our efforts. Things are well in hand. Perhaps you should rant about the conviction of Bob McDonnell.
We are measuring anthropogenic climate change cause by burning fossil fuels. What other period is relevant?
Actually those drive regional climate. GHGs and solar irradiance drive Global Climate
Volcanic activity is included in all models. Over the period of 30+ years the impact of volcanic activity is relatively constant.
Why would we include the impact of Saddam burning Kuwait oilfields? It was stopped two decades ago.
You see anxious and grasping at straws. Be calm. The climate change issue is under control. We are phasing out coal, improving car mileage and reducing annual miles driven, and we are negotiating intra-country agreements that will bring along other countries in our efforts. Things are well in hand. Perhaps you should rant about the conviction of Bob McDonnell.
and cars have had emissions standards for a longer period of time than that, as have power plants and other "polluters".
I suppose that the BILLIONS of tons of Co2 from the burning oil wells dissipated over time?
"In retrospect, it is now known that smoke from the Kuwait oil fires only affected the weather pattern throughout the Persian Gulf and surrounding region during the periods that the fires were burning in 1991, with lower atmospheric winds blowing the smoke along the eastern half of the Arabian Peninsula, and cities such as Dhahran and Riyadh, and countries such as Bahrain experienced days with smoke filled skies and carbon soot rainout/fallout."
Why not compare it to the 13th century? Or the 6th? The 500th BC? Humans thrived then, right?
What about 10,000 BC when the glaciers began to recede?
So, if 700 burning oil wells for 4 months didn't cause long term global climate change, I don't think that we have any effect on GW at all.
We are measuring anthropogenic climate change cause by burning fossil fuels. What other period is relevant?
Actually those drive regional climate. GHGs and solar irradiance drive Global Climate
Volcanic activity is included in all models. Over the period of 30+ years the impact of volcanic activity is relatively constant.
Why would we include the impact of Saddam burning Kuwait oilfields? It was stopped two decades ago.
You see anxious and grasping at straws. Be calm. The climate change issue is under control. We are phasing out coal, improving car mileage and reducing annual miles driven, and we are negotiating intra-country agreements that will bring along other countries in our efforts. Things are well in hand. Perhaps you should rant about the conviction of Bob McDonnell.
Great post! Too bad the deniers can't seem to offer any facts of their own. The only thing they have is personal bias and conjecture.
and cars have had emissions standards for a longer period of time than that, as have power plants and other "polluters".
Yes they have and as we learn more through science, we add additional restrictions.
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I suppose that the BILLIONS of tons of Co2 from the burning oil wells dissipated over time?
"In retrospect, it is now known that smoke from the Kuwait oil fires only affected the weather pattern throughout the Persian Gulf and surrounding region during the periods that the fires were burning in 1991, with lower atmospheric winds blowing the smoke along the eastern half of the Arabian Peninsula, and cities such as Dhahran and Riyadh, and countries such as Bahrain experienced days with smoke filled skies and carbon soot rainout/fallout."
However many tons of CO2 were emitted, the fires have been out for two decades. The smoke is gone too.
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Why not compare it to the 13th century? Or the 6th? The 500th BC? Humans thrived then, right?
Humans didn't start producing CO2 on a large scale until the 20th century.
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What about 10,000 BC when the glaciers began to recede?
What's the relevance of this? In 10,000 BC we were just exiting a period of glacial maximum. Human impact on the environment was insignificant. Perhaps one day we'll know enough about climate to avoid an extended cold period, though that will be several thousand years from now so slowing the warming is the present issue.
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So, if 700 burning oil wells for 4 months didn't cause long term global climate change, I don't think that we have any effect on GW at all.
We burn much more oil than that every month, it's just in the engines of cars. When pumping their oil, Kuwait only lifts about 3.5 million barrels a day. In the US alone we consume over 16 million barrels a day. Virtually all of that ends up in the atmosphere.
We clearly don't want the temperatures of the Cretaceous. The South Atlantic was as warm as a hot tub and about 2/3rds of the United States was under water. The red states are all about gone.
We clearly don't want the temperatures of the Cretaceous. The South Atlantic was as warm as a hot tub and about 2/3rds of the United States was under water. The red states are all about gone.
We might not "want" those temperatures, but they will evidently return to those levels again as they always do until they fall off towards yet another ice age as it always does. Anyway, we just left an ice age and are doing the normal climb back towards a 77F peak before dropping back down to another ice age. So why all the hand-wringing? If we do not "want" the earth to go through its normal cycle, should humans alter how the earth has been working for billions of years? And if we did, is that not just as bad as what the hand-wringing is about? Maybe, just maybe, we should either except that we have to leave the planet or prepare for the inevitable warming that is to come...
We might not "want" those temperatures, but they will evidently return to those levels again as they always do until they fall off towards yet another ice age as it always does. Anyway, we just left an ice age and are doing the normal climb back towards a 77F peak before dropping back down to another ice age. So why all the hand-wringing? If we do not "want" the earth to go through its normal cycle, should humans alter how the earth has been working for billions of years? And if we did, is that not just as bad as what the hand-wringing is about? Maybe, just maybe, we should either except that we have to leave the planet or prepare for the inevitable warming that is to come...
Actually we are still technically in an ice age and prior to the recent warming temperatures had been declining for several thousand years.
Why the hand wringing? We are in a "Goldilocks" zone and want to stay here for as long as possible. As I said, nobody wants the climate of the Cretaceous Period.
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