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The answer is REFORM, not Elimination. There are good ways to help those drawing assistance, including black and brown people, offer some solutions to get people off the programs. Training people in a field that is need of skilled workers is one way, give those that want off assistance a path to do so and you end the cycle for many families and save the Nation expense.
The conservative/libertarian/constitutional movement does want elimination but we don't want to just cut it off tomorrow. Some things can be phased out faster than others in an effort to get the federal government back to only performing their enumerated powers.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczyn...e-mini#1d2tqo1
“Jason Riley said in an interview, Did you know before we had minimum wage laws black unemployment and white unemployment were the same? If we increase the minimum wage, black unemployment will skyrocket. See, he understands it, but the average black does not.”
Ah so go back to before workers had decent rights so we can ALL be broke poor! Awesome...hey Cruz's dad keep helping him! I love it...If republican business owners could they wouldn't pay ANY wage..then when workers strike they would just get their enforcers to go out and rough them up and force them back to work....We WON'T go backwards on workers rights right wingers...so stop trying! Maybe try running on something that people care about and stop trying to change what's been done and won't be reversed! You might get somewhere.
He's right though. The Minimum Wage was passed as a way to price minorities out of the workforce. I realize that's not how people think of it today, but that was the intention of creating the minimum wage & it has succeeded. Unemployment went from equal, to double in 50 years.
The conservative/libertarian/constitutional movement does want elimination but we don't want to just cut it off tomorrow. Some things can be phased out faster than others in an effort to get the federal government back to only performing their enumerated powers.
The better way is to get as many people off as possible and for those that those methods are not as possibility you continue to help them. So sorry but the government does have right to run social programs, but the some conservative/libertarian/constitutional movement types do not grasp that reality. Might want to wrap you brain around the fact that Social Programs are Not going to go away so long as there is a need, reality will serve you far better in life than living in a fantasy world.
The conservative/libertarian/constitutional movement does want elimination but we don't want to just cut it off tomorrow. Some things can be phased out faster than others in an effort to get the federal government back to only performing their enumerated powers.
Correct. These people who think all conservative/libertarian/constitutional people are evil & just want to pull the rug out from under the poor have been sold a bogus bill of goods from the scaremongers making big bucks off of that platform. Ron Paul, when asked directly said he'd cut foreign aid, then bring the military home, then cut the defense budget, then cut all corporate welfare, legalize marijuana & tax it, then legalize gambling & tax it, then legalize prostitution & tax it, then cut the vast waste in many of the Washington DC Departments themselves (i.e. 1/3 of the Federal Income Tax is never accounted for by the IRS, it just disappears & is written off, every year!), he said at that point we'd have a lot more money available to help with programs for the poor & we could look at creating alternatives & phasing people off those programs. Not quite the same sales pitch the Progressive politicians/media are selling the rank & file, moderate Democrats.
The better way is to get as many people off as possible and for those that those methods are not as possibility you continue to help them. So sorry but the government does have right to run social programs, but the some conservative/libertarian/constitutional movement types do not grasp that reality. Might want to wrap you brain around the fact that Social Programs are Not going to go away so long as there is a need, reality will serve you far better in life than living in a fantasy world.
The states can continue to help them. The federal government does not have that power.
Correct. These people who think all conservative/libertarian/constitutional people are evil & just want to pull the rug out from under the poor have been sold a bogus bill of goods from the scaremongers making big bucks off of that platform. Ron Paul, when asked directly said he'd cut foreign aid, then bring the military home, then cut the defense budget, then cut all corporate welfare, legalize marijuana & tax it, then legalize gambling & tax it, then legalize prostitution & tax it, then cut the vast waste in many of the Washington DC Departments themselves (i.e. 1/3 of the Federal Income Tax is never accounted for by the IRS, it just disappears & is written off, every year!), he said at that point we'd have a lot more money available to help with programs for the poor & we could look at creating alternatives & phasing people off those programs. Not quite the same sales pitch the Progressive politicians/media are selling the rank & file, moderate Democrats.
Ughhh, guys... it isn't that complicated.
Welfare spending goes down as unemployment goes down. Welfare spending goes down as wages go up. The solution is simple.
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The states can continue to help them. The federal government does not have that power.
Incorrect. States are not monetarily sovereign. States have real budgets.
It will be interesting when ( god help us) and if minimum wage hits the desired amount, which I believe is 15 an hour? Is that what they are leveraging for nationally?
that's close to 30k a year to flip burgers full-time? LOL. and I make 41 with a B.A. teaching, and my wife makes 46 with a M.Ed. teaching. Keep in mind our state has been frozen for cost of living raises for 7 years now.
I think I would take the pay cut and not have to deal with extra headaches of my "career"
Think I would be alone?
How about the iron workers, nurses, city workers, skilled laborers, I mean really the list goes on and on. Why will any of these professions continue to work harder as some dolt flipping burgers for the same amount of money or a little bit less?
The same people that can't get viable skilled jobs now, will still be UNEMPLOYABLE, because if I had to choose between someone with ANY type of education or a high school dropout , guess who is going to get the job?
You're in luck! There may be some openings soon...
Hours to work (min. wage) to buy SS tool
1950 : 169.50 / 0.75 = 226 hours
1980 : 799.99 / 3.10 = 258 hours
2010 : 2999.99 / 7.25 = 413 hours*
(* To add insult to injury, modern production technology reduces the amount of labor, and yet it costs MORE to buy! )
Thanks to the democratic socialist system, and the never ending inflation of the money system, today's worker has to work twice as much to get what his poor ancestors bought WITH LOWER WAGES.
You can NEVER get ahead of the inflationary curve in that system. A small reminder and a nod to Congress for debasing the money supply. Great job, guys!
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If you believe that "more money" is the cure for poverty, let us end poverty simply by giving everyone a bank balance of 22 billion billion quatloos, a sum that makes them “set for life.” Now that everyone is equally rich, what happens if no one bothers to work, trade, nor deliver to those with money?
Civilization collapses - thanks to “money madness” the bane of “modern society.”
Someday people will figure out that prosperity is based on production, trade and enjoyment of surplus usable goods and services, and not based on acquiring money tokens.
Hours to work (min. wage) to buy SS tool
1950 : 169.50 / 0.75 = 226 hours
1980 : 799.99 / 3.10 = 258 hours
2010 : 2999.99 / 7.25 = 413 hours*
(* To add insult to injury, modern production technology reduces the amount of labor, and yet it costs MORE to buy! )
Thanks to the democratic socialist system, and the never ending inflation of the money system, today's worker has to work twice as much to get what his poor ancestors bought WITH LOWER WAGES.
You can NEVER get ahead of the inflationary curve in that system. A small reminder and a nod to Congress for debasing the money supply. Great job, guys!
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If you believe that "more money" is the cure for poverty, let us end poverty simply by giving everyone a bank balance of 22 billion billion quatloos, a sum that makes them “set for life.” Now that everyone is equally rich, what happens if no one bothers to work, trade, nor deliver to those with money?
Civilization collapses - thanks to “money madness” the bane of “modern society.”
Someday people will figure out that prosperity is based on production, trade and enjoyment of surplus usable goods and services, and not based on acquiring money tokens.
Is the the wood working tool priced at $2999.99 the same as the one at $169.50? If not, you are comparing apple to orange, and your whole point is moo. You know like a cow's opinion, it doesn't matter and it's moo.
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