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You have to live under government whether you like it or not.
No. Go to Ecuador where the government doesn't care what you do as long as you pay taxes or another underdeveloped country. Buy an island in the pacific or move to Alaska. Nobody is forcing you to live amongst people, but if you do, then certain rules apply, whether you like it or not.
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No. Go to Ecuador where the government doesn't care what you do as long as you pay taxes or another underdeveloped country. Buy an island in the pacific or move to Alaska. Nobody is forcing you live amongst people, but if you do, then certain rules apply, whether you like it or not.
Why is a being born a form of obligation to whichever tyrant is in power? Does that tyrant have a Holy Ownership over any form of life in its shadow automatically?
"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so."
No. Go to Ecuador where the government doesn't care what you do as long as you pay taxes or another underdeveloped country. Buy an island in the pacific or move to Alaska. Nobody is forcing you to live amongst people, but if you do, then certain rules apply, whether you like it or not.
Governments lay claim to all land on earth. Obey or face force.
Why is a being born a form of obligation to whichever tyrant is in power? Does that tyrant have a Holy Ownership over any form of life in its shadow automatically?
"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so."
If everybody would just cherry pick which laws they ignore and which they obey, the society would dissolve into chaos. Dura lex, sed lex. That's the very foundation of every human society.
The society was here way before you were born. What makes you think your will is more important than society's? The government is just the enforcer of society's rules and standards. You want to live in a society than obey its rules, otherwise there is Alaska, Somalia or Ecuador for instance.
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Originally Posted by No_Recess
Governments lay claim to all land on earth. Obey or face force.
Are you sure you were in Canada? I live here and I've NEVER seen that happen.
They will ask for ID if you look underaged.
It was Thunder Bay.
Are you sure they don't scan your license when you show it? Same thing.
This was 1980 so it was old school tech. We were in Vancouver for a hockey tournament some years back but still in the modern era-probably around '07. They asked for my ID and scanned it into their computer. So they have a picture of my ID with the purchase. I figured it was the same policy with new technology.
I know I didn't like it and that's never happened in the US.
I was 18 years old when I got my first taste of Canadian micro managing of their population. We went into a liquor store to buy some beer. They not only checked our ID's, they copied our license number, address, name and exactly what we bought and on clipboard. I saw them doing that with everyone that came in.
Even at 18, that burned my American butt that they were sticking their nose that far into people's business.
I know it's just a little detail, but I think it says a lot about that country and a lot about America.
I love freedom, even though we've lost too much since 9/11
Here's a thought for you. I'm 68 years old and am required to show ID at Walmart in Fla to prove I'm old enough to buy booze. In American Airports I'm required to show my I/D in restaurants and cafes before I can be served alchohol. How's your American Butt handle that?
Now let's move along to being thrown in jail for collecting rainwater on your own land.
And then we can discuss EBT cards and food supplements to the extent that fully 50% of your population are reliant upon gover't handouts to freak'n feed themselves:
Gee this one shows individual income tax rate in Canada being a full ten percent lower.
Now in summation; you make a broad brush statement of OTHER countries being reliant upon government largesse or oversight and you're the freak'n nation that has had this chit in place for decades: Foodstamps, EBT cards, Medicare, Medicaid, the VA, Obama phones, TAX deductions for everything from mortgage payments to dental expenses. NSA snooping in your private lives, Patriot ACT allowing for full abrogation of any of your rights to habeus corpus on the whim of any one of three government entities deeming you someone of interest YOU can be thrown in jail INDEFINITELY under that little piece of legislation.
Most of us don't crow about our freedoms because if we did you would have very early on learned you're less free than many of those countries you're slanging as "used to and reliant upon gov't oversight".
If everybody would just cherry pick which laws they ignore and which they obey, the society would dissolve into chaos. Dura lex, sed lex. That's the very foundation of every human society.
That is what free humans do anyway. Do you voluntarily obey laws that you think are immoral? If you do, then I applaud your unwavering allegiance to a fictional entity that only serves those in power.
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