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Old 09-08-2014, 08:03 PM
 
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I find it funny that there are people out there who want Jane Fonda to be hanged for treason and yet say nothing about the politicians who sent them over there to die.
Really? So you're incapable of comprehending the difference between entering into a war and aiding the enemy after that war is underway? You seriously don't see the difference?
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Old 09-08-2014, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Oceania
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I agree she was wrong to go there. I had never heard these facts at all.

Why drag it up? Because i wanted too.

BENGHAZI is more relevant - why not post something about that?
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Old 09-08-2014, 08:04 PM
 
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The apology was only to portions of what she did. In fact, she said she was proud of having gone there even after the apology. An American citizen going to a nation that America is at war with and doing a propaganda tour for them is a traitorous act. If she isn't sorry for having done it at all, then the apology is worthless.
What nation were you at war with?

And why were you at war with them? Did they come here and destroy your hometown and kill your neighbors?

The traitors are the people that supported that dumb ass war to begin with. They're the ones that should be apologizing for supporting a senseless war that killed nearly 60k of our young men.

Jane Fonda has nothing to apologize for.
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Old 09-08-2014, 08:07 PM
 
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What nation were you at war with?

And why were you at war with them? Did they come here and destroy your hometown and kill your neighbors?

The traitors are the people that supported that dumb ass war to begin with. They're the ones that should be apologizing for supporting a senseless war that killed nearly 60k of our young men.

Jane Fonda has nothing to apologize for.
Exactly some of the Tea Party types should have to explain why Vietnam Vets are lining up for one disablity after another more than 40 years after they separated from service. This war is costing taxpayers a lot more than it cost 40 years ago. We get to pay and the folks who complain about Fonda collect.
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Old 09-08-2014, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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She may or may not have handed over messages, but she certainly did other things.
That's right, and that's the only issue. She was a friggin traitor without this latest accusation. She can continue to tell protesting vets to "get over it," but they won't.

You pay for your thrills.
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Old 09-08-2014, 08:12 PM
 
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We didn't humble the Vietnamese during Tet. We didn't even win Tet. The idea that we actually won Tet is based on that bodycount B.S. which is meaningless.

Tet inflicted an incredible psychological defeat on us no matter how many Vietnamese we repelled or killed. We didn't even think Tet was possible...until it was.

We lost Vietnam on the battlefield. I'm sorry that so many people like yourself can't deal with that reality. And Jane Fonda is the least of the reasons why we lost.




You guys may have had a noble cause in your minds, and that's admirable....but you got snookered. That was an Asian civil war, and we had no business getting involved in it.

And Jane Fonda wasn't the one that did the snookering.

The simple solution was to dig a deep hole over the Ho Chi Minh tunnel system and detonate a nuclear bomb. Would have closed the underground highway down permanently and the war would have been over.

But General Dynamics, GE, Rockwell and a hundred other companies didn't want that.
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Old 09-08-2014, 08:24 PM
 
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Yes this thread shouldn't go beyond 2 pages, everyone is over something that happened 50 years ago
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

And those of us who can, are condemned to sit back helplessly and watch them do it.
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Old 09-08-2014, 08:26 PM
 
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Exactly some of the Tea Party types should have to explain why Vietnam Vets are lining up for one disablity after another more than 40 years after they separated from service. This war is costing taxpayers a lot more than it cost 40 years ago. We get to pay and the folks who complain about Fonda collect.

One disability after another? What on earth are you talking about?
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Old 09-08-2014, 08:36 PM
 
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That's right, and that's the only issue. She was a friggin traitor without this latest accusation. She can continue to tell protesting vets to "get over it," but they won't.

You pay for your thrills.
The vets don't have to get over it.

They'll die bitter...and that's not gonna hurt Fonda one bit. She's living her life out with her health intact and plenty of money in the bank.

And dying bitter is pretty sad.
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The simple solution was to dig a deep hole over the Ho Chi Minh tunnel system and detonate a nuclear bomb. Would have closed the underground highway down permanently and the war would have been over.

But General Dynamics, GE, Rockwell and a hundred other companies didn't want that.
Why should we have interfered in an Asian civil war to begin with? There were no interests there that helped or hurt this country one way or the other. We had no right to participate in the killing of 3 million Vietnamese citizens.

We should've NEVER attempted to help the French get Indochina back. It wasn't our place to do that.

Now i do agree with you that the big defense contractors certainly walked away quite wealthy from that war.
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Old 09-08-2014, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Chesterfield,Virginia
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We didn't humble the Vietnamese during Tet. We didn't even win Tet. The idea that we actually won Tet is based on that bodycount B.S. which is meaningless.

Tet inflicted an incredible psychological defeat on us no matter how many Vietnamese we repelled or killed. We didn't even think Tet was possible...until it was.

We lost Vietnam on the battlefield. I'm sorry that so many people like yourself can't deal with that reality. And Jane Fonda is the least of the reasons why we lost.




You guys may have had a noble cause in your minds, and that's admirable....but you got snookered. That was an Asian civil war, and we had no business getting involved in it.

And Jane Fonda wasn't the one that did the snookering.
This will be my last response to this thread.

It would seem that None of you know anything other than what you have been taught in your government run schools.

You refuse to even consider information that is given from first hand accounts!

I'd venture to say that not many of you had history teachers that ever even held an M-16 let alone fought for anything .. other than a last piece of pie!

The mis-information and outright lies are insurmountable and frankly, as has been pointed out .. you folks who probably weren't even living at the time .. just don't give a d@mn.

Saigon was the center for most if not all of the news agencies that were covering the war in South Vietnam.

The Tet offensive was the first time, during the war, that actual street fighting took place in the major cities.

Rear support personnel and MP’s did the initial fighting by American troops until support from infantry and armor could arrive.

The news media were able to capture this street fighting on tape in addition to the attack on the American Embassy.

This new offensive was immediately brought into the homes of American families through reporting by television and the press.

The sensationalism of this reporting brought forth a misrepresentation of the actual facts that took place during Tet.
(Cronkite/ Fonda)

The reports led the American people to think that we were losing the war in Vietnam and that the Tet Offensive was a major victory for North Vietnam.
(Cronkite)


The VC suffered such high casualties that they were no longer considered a fighting force and their ranks would have to be replaced by North Vietnamese regulars.

The military defeat of North Vietnam after the Tet Offensive became a political victory for North Vietnam because of anti-war demonstrations and the sensationalism (Cronkite) of the news media.

The North Vietnamese interpreted the U.S. reaction to these events as the weakening of America's resolve to win the war.

The North Vietnamese believed that victory could be theirs, if they stayed their course.

The sensationalism by the American news media (Cronkite) and the anti-war protests (Fonda) following Tet gave hope to Communist North Vietnam, strengthening their belief that their will to succeed was greater than ours.

Instead of seeking a successful resolution at the Paris Peace Conference following the disastrous defeat of the Tet Offensive, they employed delay tactics as another tool to inflame U.S. politics.

This delaying tactic spurned further anti-war demonstrations. Those who sensationalized their reporting of the war (Most especially Walter Cronkite) and those who supported anti-war demonstrations (Fonda) are guilty of giving our enemy hope.

Because of their actions, they must share partial responsibility for those 20,000 + American deaths that occurred after tet until our full exit from nam.

We won the war on the battlefield but lost it back home on the college campuses and in the city streets.
(Communists and leftists, which of course .. have the same goals)
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