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It would seem that None of you know anything other than what you have been taught in your government run schools.
You refuse to even consider information that is given from first hand accounts!
I'd venture to say that not many of you had history teachers that ever even held an M-16 let alone fought for anything .. other than a last piece of pie!
The mis-information and outright lies are insurmountable and frankly, as has been pointed out .. you folks who probably weren't even living at the time .. just don't give a d@mn.
Saigon was the center for most if not all of the news agencies that were covering the war in South Vietnam.
The Tet offensive was the first time, during the war, that actual street fighting took place in the major cities.
Rear support personnel and MP’s did the initial fighting by American troops until support from infantry and armor could arrive.
The news media were able to capture this street fighting on tape in addition to the attack on the American Embassy.
This new offensive was immediately brought into the homes of American families through reporting by television and the press.
The sensationalism of this reporting brought forth a misrepresentation of the actual facts that took place during Tet.
(Cronkite/ Fonda)
The reports led the American people to think that we were losing the war in Vietnam and that the Tet Offensive was a major victory for North Vietnam.
(Cronkite)
The VC suffered such high casualties that they were no longer considered a fighting force and their ranks would have to be replaced by North Vietnamese regulars.
The military defeat of North Vietnam after the Tet Offensive became a political victory for North Vietnam because of anti-war demonstrations and the sensationalism (Cronkite) of the news media.
The North Vietnamese interpreted the U.S. reaction to these events as the weakening of America's resolve to win the war.
The North Vietnamese believed that victory could be theirs, if they stayed their course.
The sensationalism by the American news media (Cronkite) and the anti-war protests (Fonda) following Tet gave hope to Communist North Vietnam, strengthening their belief that their will to succeed was greater than ours.
Instead of seeking a successful resolution at the Paris Peace Conference following the disastrous defeat of the Tet Offensive, they employed delay tactics as another tool to inflame U.S. politics.
This delaying tactic spurned further anti-war demonstrations. Those who sensationalized their reporting of the war (Most especially Walter Cronkite) and those who supported anti-war demonstrations (Fonda) are guilty of giving our enemy hope.
Because of their actions, they must share partial responsibility for those 20,000 + American deaths that occurred after tet until our full exit from nam.
We won the war on the battlefield but lost it back home on the college campuses and in the city streets.
(Communists and leftists, which of course .. have the same goals)
Right on all counts.
Pictures do, indeed, say a thousand words and Fonda will never live down her traitorous past. Her own father, one of Hollywood's biggest liberals, didn't speak to her for decades because of it.
It would seem that None of you know anything other than what you have been taught in your government run schools.
You refuse to even consider information that is given from first hand accounts!
I'd venture to say that not many of you had history teachers that ever even held an M-16 let alone fought for anything .. other than a last piece of pie!
The mis-information and outright lies are insurmountable and frankly, as has been pointed out .. you folks who probably weren't even living at the time .. just don't give a d@mn.
Saigon was the center for most if not all of the news agencies that were covering the war in South Vietnam.
The Tet offensive was the first time, during the war, that actual street fighting took place in the major cities.
Rear support personnel and MP’s did the initial fighting by American troops until support from infantry and armor could arrive.
The news media were able to capture this street fighting on tape in addition to the attack on the American Embassy.
This new offensive was immediately brought into the homes of American families through reporting by television and the press.
The sensationalism of this reporting brought forth a misrepresentation of the actual facts that took place during Tet.
(Cronkite/ Fonda)
The reports led the American people to think that we were losing the war in Vietnam and that the Tet Offensive was a major victory for North Vietnam.
(Cronkite)
The VC suffered such high casualties that they were no longer considered a fighting force and their ranks would have to be replaced by North Vietnamese regulars.
The military defeat of North Vietnam after the Tet Offensive became a political victory for North Vietnam because of anti-war demonstrations and the sensationalism (Cronkite) of the news media.
The North Vietnamese interpreted the U.S. reaction to these events as the weakening of America's resolve to win the war.
The North Vietnamese believed that victory could be theirs, if they stayed their course.
The sensationalism by the American news media (Cronkite) and the anti-war protests (Fonda) following Tet gave hope to Communist North Vietnam, strengthening their belief that their will to succeed was greater than ours.
Instead of seeking a successful resolution at the Paris Peace Conference following the disastrous defeat of the Tet Offensive, they employed delay tactics as another tool to inflame U.S. politics.
This delaying tactic spurned further anti-war demonstrations. Those who sensationalized their reporting of the war (Most especially Walter Cronkite) and those who supported anti-war demonstrations (Fonda) are guilty of giving our enemy hope.
Because of their actions, they must share partial responsibility for those 20,000 + American deaths that occurred after tet until our full exit from nam.
We won the war on the battlefield but lost it back home on the college campuses and in the city streets.
(Communists and leftists, which of course .. have the same goals)
Nixon and Kissinger sabotaged the Paris Peace Conference by telling the South Vietnamese (behind Johnson's back) that if they held out, they'd get a better deal with Nixon.
So THEY are responsible for those 20k deaths...not Cronkite, Fonda or war protesters.
But you knew that already.
But the saddest thing is that for some strange reason, you believe that interfering in an Asian civil war was a noble cause.
Pictures do, indeed, say a thousand words and Fonda will never live down her traitorous past. Her own father, one of Hollywood's biggest liberals, didn't speak to her for decades because of it.
Henry Fonda ALWAYS had a strained relationship with his children until the day he died. His relationship with Peter was just as tense.
So that's not the source of why her father didn't speak to her. To my knowledge, Henry Fonda never spoke about the incident.
Pictures do, indeed, say a thousand words and Fonda will never live down her traitorous past. Her own father, one of Hollywood's biggest liberals, didn't speak to her for decades because of it.
So On Golden Pond never happened in 1981. You just passed on more internet babble without any documentation.
Really? So you're incapable of comprehending the difference between entering into a war and aiding the enemy after that war is underway? You seriously don't see the difference?
Yes, there's a difference. Starting the war was a lot worse.
Don't play stupid semantic games. Even though we didn't declare war, everyone called it the Vietnam War.
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And why were you at war with them? Did they come here and destroy your hometown and kill your neighbors?
America was operating under the Domino Theory - a theory devised by Democrats, by the way, even though Democrats now like to say they were against going to war in Vietnam - that the Soviets were attempting to spread their ideology by toppling one third world nation at a time until they eventually had enough of the world under their influence that they could strangle the West.
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The traitors are the people that supported that dumb ass war to begin with. They're the ones that should be apologizing for supporting a senseless war that killed nearly 60k of our young men.
No, they aren't. Being a traitor means something. You should get a dictionary and look the word up. But that's part of normal liberal intellectual dishonesty - to malign people who disagree with them as evil rather than simply differing in opinion on what the best way is to achieve the common good. Maybe you want to call JFK a traitor, but I hardly think anybody else is going to agree with you.
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Jane Fonda has nothing to apologize for.
Maybe in your worldview she doesn't. But here in the sane world, when American people call American soldiers being tortured and starved liars, that's something to apologize for.
How many of you were even alive back then?
All this is ancient and has been beaten to death more times than I can count.
Fonda is bumping 80 now. Leave her alone. She admitted she was ignorant and foolish years ago, and it's way past time to be re-fighting Viet Nam one more time.
We have enough current problems on our plate to be re-chewing old cabbage.
So On Golden Pond never happened in 1981. You just passed on more internet babble without any documentation.
Money doesn't count? They both got a very fat deal for tolerating each other on camera.
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