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I DO remember Obama being soft and trying to play nice with Islamic extremists when he first took office.
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What you remember never happened. If you disagree, actually find the quote instead of relying upon your memory that may have been influenced by opinions of others.
Pres. Obama in reality has been more aggressive against terrorists than his predecessor.
For those that bring up the widening gap between rich and poor, note that this started under Reagan and has continued since and Congress refuses to pass measures that would lower income inequality, such as but not limited to increasing the minimum wage.
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Originally Posted by pghquest
Raising the cost of production does NOT lower income inequality.. learn economics...
What an absurd defense of low wages. Essentially, you are saying that when the owners of production have more money, it's better for workers, which is patently false. Were the factory workers in 1900 America, who earned subsistence t wages, better off because the owners of the factories earned so much they lived in absolute luxury?
Raising the minimum wage raises wages for the lowest earning workers and studies show it has a negligible effect on employment.
Whining about taxes: Reading through this barrage of one-line opinion statements is hard to do, but every now and then someone writes something or asks a question worth considering. The "whining" that pghquest complains about while going on and on with more whining about people paying no taxes hardly seems worth considering, but sure would be interesting to know what someone making a below-poverty level income (or no income) should pay in taxes when the money they make doesn't cover the cost of living basics. At a minimum, everyone needs to cover the cost of a roof over the head, food, clothes and whatever bare essentials. What taxes should people pay who can't manage to pay for even those essentials? PS: Even the poor pay some taxes in the way of sales taxes, but I guess that is still not enough to stop the whining by some who do make a decent living and insist on more "skin" from everyone.
Whining about being tough on Islamic extremists: Might be the question is not how tough we can be, like we were by invading Iraq, but how smart we can be. Obama is smart not to follow the same old cowboy mentality that has had us at the wrong end of Middle East meddling going back many decades. The better we begin to address the real issues plaguing the Middle East in an appropriate way, including the real need for Israel to make peace with the Palestinian people, the sooner we might begin to see less senseless endless killing and more progress. None of that can happen overnight, or even during Obama's eight years, but no doubt the prudence and patience that Obama has demonstrated in general is better than the crazy foreign policy that America has pursued with significant losses for so long before.
Or have we forgot how things were going before Obama came onto the scene? Who will ever forget the Iran hostages? 9/11? The invasion of Iraq, the toppling of Saddam's statue? Anyone look back at those heady days with fondness or any interest in returning?
Again, please, if you are going to quote me or anyone else, do so verbatim. This incessant need to constantly alter the truth, the facts, what other people say..., is exhausting.
It's common message forum etiquette to snip and quote only the part to which one is responding. Otherwise, anyone following the discussion is forced to needlessly read through the entire prior post when only one or a few points in it are being rebutted.
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I explained that I don't see VAT as a possibility here in America in the foreseeable future. I have no idea whether that means "never." More important to the point at hand, however, if maybe we can stay on point..., is that regardless how we may feel about VAT, the issue is mute here in America right now, so better to focus on what does seem within the realm of possible change. Again, this is just the want for pragmatism rather than pie-in-the-sky thoughts about anything TOO radical happening anytime soon.
Again and again, none of this reality means that me or any Americans in particular are not willing to pay or finance all we want as Americans, but the plain fact is that those who garnish the vast majority of wealth in this country must also pay most of the taxes. There simply is no other way.
You're posting your opinion, NOT facts.
Also, what you suggest isn't done by any first-world country that has national healthcare. They all have regressive tax codes. The Washington Post article I posted discusses and explains exactly that. If what you suggest were possible, don't you think they would also tax progressively and still be able to fund their generous social program benefits that way? The FACT is that they can't, so they don't.
Whining about being tough on Islamic extremists: Might be the question is not how tough we can be, like we were by invading Iraq, but how smart we can be. Obama is smart not to follow the same old cowboy mentality that has had us at the wrong end of Middle East meddling going back many decades. The better we begin to address the real issues plaguing the Middle East in an appropriate way, including the real need for Israel to make peace with the Palestinian people, the sooner we might begin to see less senseless endless killing and more progress. None of that can happen overnight, or even during Obama's eight years, but no doubt the prudence and patience that Obama has demonstrated in general is better than the crazy foreign policy that America has pursued with significant losses for so long before.
Or have we forgot how things were going before Obama came onto the scene? Who will ever forget the Iran hostages? 9/11? The invasion of Iraq, the toppling of Saddam's statue? Anyone look back at those heady days with fondness or any interest in returning?
Yes... the Arab Spring, Libya, ISIS strategy, Benghazi, bringing back a traitor for five top terrorists... all brilliant.
The O-cult never ceases to amaze...
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