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Old 09-20-2014, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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What is the down side of being wrong.
How about lowering the standard of living for hundreds of millions of people, and possible economic ruin? We have already wasted hundreds of billions of dollars accomplishing nothing in the name of AGW, except to make AGW advocates wealthier at taxpayer expense. Thus lowering our standard of living.

Every climate model that has ever been produced has been hysterically wrong. Science is about making testable predictions. When Einstein published his Theory of General Relativity in 1915 he predicted that light would be warped by gravity. A few years later an astronomer put that theory to the test by observing a star that was behind the sun during a solar eclipse. When the astronomer saw the star that should have been behind the sun during the eclipse, he knew Einstein was right. If every prediction made turns out to be not true, then the theory has to be either scraped or revised. Yet year after year we see the same climate models predicting eminent destruction on a global scale within the next decade or two, and they are always wrong. How many times do they have to cry "WOLF!," and be wrong, before you stop believing them?

Politically, fear-mongering is an excellent tool for extracting more and more taxpayer funding. Which is why all the Democrats use it.

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We have droughts in California and Texas now. We have 90+% of glaciers shrinking. How wrong can we afford to be?

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We do have droughts in southern California, Texas, and parts of Oklahoma and Kansas. We also have a booming agricultural industry in Canada and Alaska. The point being that we either learn to adapt to the ever changing climate, or we become extinct.

There are a few areas where glaciers are advancing or remain static, but the overwhelming majority of glaciers are retreating. Which is a good thing.

Not only do fewer glaciers mean more land and more freshwater, it also means that we are in no immediate danger of the Holocene Interglacial Period ending and returning us to another 100,000 years of glaciation. When the majority of the glaciers start advancing, that would be a very bad thing indeed.

Alaska is one of the few locations around the planet where the sea level is actually dropping (according to NOAA), significantly. The reason is because most of the glaciers are retreating. This causes the land that was compressed under the weight of the glacier to rise. So technically the sea level is not dropping, south central Alaska is gaining altitude.

Warmer is better than colder.

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Old 09-20-2014, 05:48 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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World leaders must commit themselves to holding current rises in global temperatures to 2C. That is the stark message of experts and campaigners in the runup to the United Nations climate summit that will be held in New York later this week.
They say that 2C is the maximum temperature increase that the world can tolerate without causing environmental mayhem, and they insist that politicians attending the meeting, including Barack Obama and David Cameron, must agree to that upper limit. Climate warning to world leaders: stick to 2C limit or face 'mayhem' | Environment | The Observer
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Old 09-20-2014, 05:52 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Relax everything is normal..... See the Effects of Climate Change in Side-by-Side Images
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Old 09-20-2014, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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World leaders must commit themselves to holding current rises in global temperatures to 2C. That is the stark message of experts and campaigners in the runup to the United Nations climate summit that will be held in New York later this week.
They say that 2C is the maximum temperature increase that the world can tolerate without causing environmental mayhem, and they insist that politicians attending the meeting, including Barack Obama and David Cameron, must agree to that upper limit. Climate warning to world leaders: stick to 2C limit or face 'mayhem' | Environment | The Observer
More fear-mongering.

When the planet is not in an ice-age, like we are now, the mean surface temperature of the planet was 22°C ± 1°C. Currently, the mean surface temperature of the planet is 14.8°C. A 2°C increase in temperature will have very little impact on the planet, and certainly no cause for "MAYHEM!"
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Old 09-20-2014, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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More fear-mongering.

When the planet is not in an ice-age, like we are now, the mean surface temperature of the planet was 22°C ± 1°C. Currently, the mean surface temperature of the planet is 14.8°C. A 2°C increase in temperature will have very little impact on the planet, and certainly no cause for "MAYHEM!"
Yeah right...Why don't you tell us how high sea levels were then....This is what North America looked like the last time the temperature was that high.

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Old 09-20-2014, 07:07 PM
 
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The people who don't believe in the fact that the planet is getting warmer are the same people who believe that Michele Bachmann is a genius and that vaccinations will make your children autistic.
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Old 09-20-2014, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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In general, each degree C of
global temperature increase
can be expected to produce:

5-10% changes in precipitation
across many regions

3-10% increases in the amount
of rain falling during the heaviest
precipitation events

5-10% changes in streamflow
across many river basins

15% decreases in the annually
averaged extent of sea ice across
the Arctic Ocean, with 25%
decreases in the yearly minimum
extent in September

5-15% reductions in the yields
of crops as currently grown

200-400% increases in the area
burned by wildfire in parts of the
western United States

http://dels.nas.edu/resources/static...orld_final.pdf
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Old 09-20-2014, 10:20 PM
 
Location: Vernon, British Columbia
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The people who don't believe in the fact that the planet is getting warmer are the same people who believe that Michele Bachmann is a genius and that vaccinations will make your children autistic.
The people most against vaccinations are the hippie evironmentalists, a group hardly known for the climate change skeptism. Just sayin'

Excellent post, Chicago George!
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Old 09-20-2014, 10:27 PM
 
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The people most against vaccinations are the hippie evironmentalists, a group hardly known for the climate change skeptism. Just sayin'

Excellent post, Chicago George!
Oh please, I would be interested to see where you get your info on this.
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Old 09-20-2014, 10:45 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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If the weight of the evidence is beginning to shift against the "consensus position", we can expect more and more scientists like this one to begin to come out and challenge it. That's the way science works.

If that turns out to be the case, that doesn't mean that the consensus scientists were engaged in a shadowy plot to destroy capitalism, or whatever. There is a much simpler explanation: they may simply be wrong.
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