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Old 09-24-2014, 06:39 AM
 
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Naturally occurring changes in winds, not human-caused climate change, are responsible for most of the warming on land and in the sea along the West Coast of North America over the last century, a study has found.

West Coast warming linked to naturally occurring changes - LA Times
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Old 09-24-2014, 06:47 AM
 
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"There is no doubt that regionally, the changes in temperature are dominated by changes in the atmospheric circulation that likely have little or nothing to do with climate change," Trenberth said. But, he added, "this does not call into question the concept of global warming."
http://www.latimes.com/science/la-sc...923-story.html

The newspaper article does not dispute that AGW is occurring only that, as nearly everyone familiar with the issue agrees, is how it will play out in certain regions. We're all guinea pigs in that regard.
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Old 09-24-2014, 06:54 AM
 
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West Coast warming linked to naturally occurring changes - LA Times

The newspaper article does not dispute that AGW is occurring only that, as nearly everyone familiar with the issue agrees, is how it will play out in certain regions. We're all guinea pigs in that regard.
Well, so what? The fact of the matter is still, AGW has been exposed as a complete hoax. Those who still promote the idea as "settled science" (science is never settled) are utter frauds.
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Old 09-24-2014, 07:08 AM
 
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Let's get this over with:

Blah blah blah it's been exposed as a hoax... blah blah blah Al Gore... blah blah blah .blogspot.com, wattsupwiththat, Judith Curry, Roy Spencer... blah blah blah common sense... blah blah blah bunch of greedy scientists making 75k/year... blah blah blah it was cold today how's that AGW going LOL... blah blah blah stealing my money!
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Old 09-24-2014, 07:22 AM
 
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West Coast warming linked to naturally occurring changes - LA Times

The newspaper article does not dispute that AGW is occurring only that, as nearly everyone familiar with the issue agrees, is how it will play out in certain regions. We're all guinea pigs in that regard.

... Newspaper artlicle... LA Times... the rag that made the editorial decision to NOT allow any skeptical information to creep into their paper....


So for some real talky talk.... here is the abstract to the Peer Reviewed Paper from the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America... PNAS


Abstract

Over the last century, northeast Pacific coastal sea surface temperatures (SSTs) and land-based surface air temperatures (SATs) display multidecadal variations associated with the Pacific Decadal Oscillation, in addition to a warming trend of ∼0.5–1 °C. Using independent records of sea-level pressure (SLP), SST, and SAT, this study investigates northeast (NE) Pacific coupled atmosphere–ocean variability from 1900 to 2012, with emphasis on the coastal areas around North America. We use a linear stochastic time series model to show that the SST evolution around the NE Pacific coast can be explained by a combination of regional atmospheric forcing and ocean persistence, accounting for 63% of nonseasonal monthly SST variance (r = 0.79) and 73% of variance in annual means (r = 0.86). We show that SLP reductions and related atmospheric forcing led to century-long warming around the NE Pacific margins, with the strongest trends observed from 1910–1920 to 1940. NE Pacific circulation changes are estimated to account for more than 80% of the 1900–2012 linear warming in coastal NE Pacific SST and US Pacific northwest (Washington, Oregon, and northern California) SAT. An ensemble of climate model simulations run under the same historical radiative forcings fails to reproduce the observed regional circulation trends. These results suggest that natural internally generated changes in atmospheric circulation were the primary cause of coastal NE Pacific warming from 1900 to 2012 and demonstrate more generally that regional mechanisms of interannual and multidecadal temperature variability can also extend to century time scales.
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Old 09-24-2014, 07:32 AM
 
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Let's get this over with:

Blah blah blah it's been exposed as a hoax... blah blah blah Al Gore... blah blah blah .blogspot.com, wattsupwiththat, Judith Curry, Roy Spencer... blah blah blah common sense... blah blah blah bunch of greedy scientists making 75k/year... blah blah blah it was cold today how's that AGW going LOL... blah blah blah stealing my money!
blah blah blah right wing talking heads
blah blah blah 97% consensus
blah blah blah the science is settled
blah blah blah corrupted by big oil money
blah blah blah koch brothers
blah blah blah warm weather proves AGW
blah blah blah cold weather proves AGW
blah blah blah more hurricanes prove AGW
blah blah blah less hurricanes prove AGW
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Old 09-24-2014, 07:34 AM
 
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let's get this over with:

Blah blah blah it's been exposed as a hoax... Blah blah blah al gore... Blah blah blah .blogspot.com, wattsupwiththat, judith curry, roy spencer... Blah blah blah common sense... Blah blah blah bunch of greedy scientists making 75k/year... Blah blah blah it was cold today how's that agw going lol... Blah blah blah stealing my money!
fact
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Old 09-24-2014, 07:48 AM
 
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Naturally occurring changes in winds, not human-caused climate change, are responsible for most of the warming on land and in the sea along the West Coast of North America over the last century, a study has found.

West Coast warming linked to naturally occurring changes - LA Times
I'm sure the CAGW crowd is working feverishly to prove CO2 can alter wind and ocean currents.
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Old 09-24-2014, 07:48 AM
 
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blah blah blah right wing talking heads
blah blah blah 97% consensus
blah blah blah the science is settled
blah blah blah corrupted by big oil money
blah blah blah koch brothers
blah blah blah warm weather proves AGW
blah blah blah cold weather proves AGW
blah blah blah more hurricanes prove AGW
blah blah blah less hurricanes prove AGW
So does this mean no more of these pointless threads?
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Old 09-24-2014, 07:50 AM
 
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West Coast warming linked to naturally occurring changes - LA Times

The newspaper article does not dispute that AGW is occurring only that, as nearly everyone familiar with the issue agrees, is how it will play out in certain regions. We're all guinea pigs in that regard.
Don't forget the lemming! The CAGW crowd has lots and lots and lots of lemmings.
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