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Old 10-02-2014, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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From the OP's link:

"The Obama administration said Congress intended for subsidies to be available in all states, regardless of who established their exchanges."

Perhaps if they weren't passing the bill before they found out what was in it, there wouldn't be this and other problems with the ACA.


Pelosi: "We Have to Pass the Bill So That You Can Find Out What Is In It" - YouTube

 
Old 10-02-2014, 10:32 AM
 
Location: NJ
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The PPACA had specific language designed by the D-party to pressure states to join. It legally meant what it said. That legal manuever failed and now the D-party scrambles to overrule their original intent. Unethical effort to reinterpet their original intent, the D-party spins on its own pitard.

Is it ethical for an elected legislator representing constituents to pass legislation they neither read or understood?

Can you understand that sweeping legislation not tempered in the fire of argument will fail miserably everytime?

Is it ethical for candidate obama to warn that HRC would pass healthcare by nuclear option and he would not because it would destroy his credibility and public confidence in his ability to lead?

Is it ethical to say every family would save at least 2,500$$ under the PPACA?

Is it ethical to say you can keep your doctor. PERIOD! to justify passage of the PPACA?

Is it ethical to cook the financial cost in an attempt to get the PPACA passed?

Is it ethical to allow the rollout of the PPACA to fail miserably,..... to enroll people who did not qualify for subsidies they revceived and make them pay back that money aside form the legislative wordplay in the legislation?

Your concern for ethics at this point is grossly misplaced and more than a day late and a dollar short.

Consider that 'we have to pass it to see what is in it' and now that we have had that promised opportunity, we don't like what we see. Whose fault do you think that is?
Whose ethics is in question?
 
Old 10-02-2014, 10:36 AM
 
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The liberals are generous, but only with other people's money.

It's like the homeless guy who asks the liberal for some spare change. The liberal takes pity on him, and reaches into the pocket of the guy in front of him for the spare change, and happily hands it to the homeless guy. Then the liberal feels good about himself while the unsuspecting guy in front of him just got robbed blind.
 
Old 10-02-2014, 10:40 AM
 
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Originally Posted by TheMoreYouKnow View Post
If my common sense comes off as immoral to you then so be it, you step up and write a check out of your pocket.
What? That would be like one of the AGW crowd not upgrading their phone, computer or tv. Sure the production of these goods causes all sorts of environmental damage while increasing emissions, but there's no need to go to extremes like not consuming them.

The next crazy thing is to expect President Obama, who claims he's concerned about AGW, to go to Camp David for vacation instead of flying an armada of aircraft nearly half way around the globe to sit on that special beach in Hawaii every year. Sure, it would be great not to be pumping jet emissions out of six big aircraft, but come on, it's Hawaii.
 
Old 10-02-2014, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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It never ceases to amaze me how those on the political right have no sense of morality or empathy for their fellow citizens. Putting these people in power is like hiring Jack the Ripper as a social worker.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/01/us...ml?src=me&_r=0

This stands out:

'The ruling, if ultimately upheld, could cut off financial assistance for more than 4.5 million people who were found eligible for subsidized insurance in the federal exchange, or marketplace.'

It seems it would be best if these people do in fact have their own country, where their devotion to selfishness can find full expression. I sure don't want them in the USA.

I don't want my government to act with "empathy". I want it to apply the rules as written.
 
Old 10-02-2014, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Democratic Peoples Republic of Redneckistan
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I'm a conservative and I consider myself to me a fairly moral guy, I'm just tired of paying for the lives of other people who have made bad life choices.

If my common sense comes off as immoral to you then so be it, you step up and write a check out of your pocket.
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The liberals are generous, but only with other people's money.

It's like the homeless guy who asks the liberal for some spare change. The liberal takes pity on him, and reaches into the pocket of the guy in front of him for the spare change, and happily hands it to the homeless guy. Then the liberal feels good about himself while the unsuspecting guy in front of him just got robbed blind.
Would you guys be willing to do away with all of the big company,oil company and farm subsidies to help finance your countrymen's health? Your taxes will not go down a bit ever again..the Gov is a hog that's used to the amount of slop they are getting and all they want is more.
 
Old 10-02-2014, 10:46 AM
 
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Would you guys be willing to do away with all of the big company,oil company and farm subsidies to help finance your countrymen's health? Your taxes will not go down a bit ever again..the Gov is a hog that's used to the amount of slop they are getting and all they want is more.
I would be happy if we got rid of 100% of corporate subsidies. How about you?
 
Old 10-02-2014, 10:48 AM
 
Location: No Mask For Me This Time, Either
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Would you guys be willing to do away with all of the big company,oil company and farm subsidies to help finance your countrymen's health? Your taxes will not go down a bit ever again..the Gov is a hog that's used to the amount of slop they are getting and all they want is more.
I'm not in favor of subsidizing anyone's health. Subsidizing means those who have worked hard to have more being used to pay for those who have not. Healthcare is a consumer product, no more. It's not a "right". If prices are cut across the board for EVERYONE equally, then everyone, myself included, benefits from the lower cost of the product.
 
Old 10-02-2014, 10:49 AM
 
Location: No Mask For Me This Time, Either
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I would be happy if we got rid of 100% of corporate subsidies. How about you?
Only if the saved monies are not shifted to socialist programs and actually produce savings for the country as a whole.
 
Old 10-02-2014, 10:50 AM
 
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Lol, yeah, the Liberals have been doing a killer job for the past eight years. Half the country is on welfare, wages are stagnant, we have 12 million illegals leeching off the system and more coming across the border every day, terrorism is proliferating, Obamacare is a disaster, IRS scandal, VA scandal, Benghazi scandal...but it's the Conservatives fault. If you say so.
Of course the OP did NOT mention ALL the LIBERAL states that are have BIG financial troubles with O care!

And let's NOT forget that the bill was written ENTIRELY by the dems and NO repubs voted for it.

Maybe the dems should have consulted some legal minds BEFORE passing illegal bills.
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