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Old 10-05-2014, 07:12 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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How ironic is it that Europe's race obsessed madman Hitler is the reason why these events are transpiring? The White Man is getting his just desserts. Thank God for Spain that the vast majority of foreigners in the country are not Muslim, but Catholics from Latin America and an assortment from the Philippines. Should of thought of the consequences before you fools with green and blue eyes decided that you were better than everyone else, and thus, everyone who didn't have green and blue eyes (Spanish, Portuguese, Italians, and Japanese exempted) should die. Karma sucks, and northern Europe is getting seconds and thirds

Well, you are vastly oversimplifying Hitler. First, eye color had very little to do with Hitler's philosophy. The nature of nationalism is to believe that "your people" are better than everyone else's. When America claims its "exceptionalism". What that really means is America is claiming "superiority" to all other countries on Earth.


While it is true that Hitler did use racism as part of his nationalist ideology. The racist aspect of his philosophy was mostly sociological for the purpose of his national socialism. For instance, being German didn't necessarily make you anymore "fit" for society(or more specifically for reproducing) than if you had been an African. Hitler sterilized a huge number of Germans(especially the mentally ill and violent criminals). The true purpose of Hitler's racist ideology was about creating a unified German state of only German people, who looked enough like each other, and who had a very similar culture, that they could be easily become "German"(even if they weren't already). Also, to eliminate every genetically caused illness through a program of "eugenics".


For instance, Hitler recognized that the Jews were intelligent and capable, he just didn't like the fact that they weren't Christian, and didn't really look German. Thus, they would always be a community separate from the rest of Germany, and thus, they would never be truly "German".

For instance, part of Hitler's plan when he moved across Eastern Europe was to kidnap young children and adopt them out to German homes, so that they would basically be raised to be German, or more importantly, to think of themselves as German and nothing else.

In that sense, Hitler wanted to create a highly unified socialist German state that operated as a single community, rather than as a bunch of different "tribes" who were basically trying to take advantage of each other. In that sense, he was going to solve the racism problem by effectively eliminating all the races from Germany except one, German.

As for the whole "blue eyes and blonde hair" issue. What Hitler was trying to do was differentiate Germany from other countries of the world. If only Nordic people have blue eyes and blonde hair, then it is pretty easy to spot a Nordic person in a lineup. Basically, there isn't a question of "Who is German?", because you can see who is German and who isn't simply by looking at them.

Thus Hitler would maintain this "German/Nordic/Aryan Nationalism" by creating a nation of only German-looking people and preventing the German people from marrying outside of the "German nation". His goal was to create a socialist nation of a single race and a single culture, which wouldn't be plagued with the racial, cultural, and class divisions that basically plagued all societies on Earth then(just as they still do to this day).

In a sense, he wanted to create something similar to post WWII Sweden(at least up until the last couple decades of large-scale Muslim immigration). A unified socialist state of basically a single ethnic group, who worked together for the common good. Of course Hitler wanted to turn most of Northern Europe and parts of Eastern Europe into this post-WWII Sweden-style socialism. Which would have meant the "forced assimilation" or expulsion of tens of millions of people.

The old joke about how "we would all be speaking German now", is at least partially true. Had Britain not gotten involved in WWII, the "Anglo-American" nations wouldn't be speaking German, but it is likely that pretty much all of Central and Eastern Europe would be speaking German now. Hitler intended to push "East", effectively removing Poland, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania from the map. As well as taking a significant portion of modern-day Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia.

Those who Hitler didn't think could be "Germanized", were to be expelled Eastward into Russia.

He later intended to annex all of Scandinavia, and possibly some other parts of central Europe.

Lebensraum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The dotted line was basically to be the new Eastern edge of "Europe". Everything East and North of Germany would be eventually annexed to become part of the New enlarged German Nazi state.





So why did Hitler want control of so much territory in his new greater Germany? Simple, the "blockade of Germany". Basically, Germany wasn't self-sufficient, it could only survive as a nation through trade. A lot of its natural resources came from Scandinavia, and its food came from Central and Eastern Europe. Hitler wanted to secure enough territory/natural resources that it couldn't be "starved out" by foreign countries in the case of another war or the possibility of war(IE sanctions and the starvation in North Korea).

Blockade of Germany - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hitler and Hermann Goering didn't think it was much different than America's "manifest destiny". Which we used as a justification for expanding across the North American continent, forcefully assimilating, expelling(IE trail of tears), or killing the original inhabitants.

This new "enlarged Germany" would have probably been somewhat close to the size of the United States.


The point is, Hitler's plan of "Lebensraum" was really about nationalism, national security, and resource independence. Race actually played a relatively small role. It was actually far more about culture, or more specifically, cultural incompatibilities between different ethnic groups, than about race.

Was Hitler wrong? Absolutely. But it is just far more complicated than most people understand.

All things considered, Hitler was actually being very rational. There were Rothschild Jews and the French treating the Germans like slaves with no ability to defend themselves(it was made illegal with the Treaty of Versailles).

Occupation of the Ruhr - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There was Stalin who intended to spread communism across Europe(and was basically already on Germany's doorstep). And you had nearly a million German's starved to death after WWI ended, to force Germany to sign the treaty of Versailles. Germany didn't want to sign it(and Woodrow Wilson was even opposed to it), because it intended to punish Germany by taking away huge chunks of territory from Germany(even areas which was majority German), to reward the countries who fought against Germany. Woodrow Wilson thought it was a violation of "self-determination", but couldn't stop it.


If I had been in Germany in 1923, I probably would have been standing next to Hitler in the "Beer hall putsch". And I'm an anarchist. Because Nazism in a sense was really just "self-defense". I would have supported Nazism only to stop the domination of Germany by the Rothschild's, the French, and the looming threat of the communists.

For that matter, if I was from the Middle-East, I would probably have been killed by the United States military by now. Because I probably would have attempted to fight off the American domination of the Middle-East. I would have considered it simply to be "self-defense".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlJpRhmldY4


When you simplify Hitler to just being a Jew-hating racist with a desire to conquer the world. You are actually doing the world an injustice. Painting him in that way makes you imagine that Hitler, and the Nazi's, were just crazy. The same goes for the "terrorists" from the Middle-East.

This same pattern of turning everyone we don't agree with into "ignorant crazies" causes us to misunderstand all of history and reality. Or more specifically, we don't like to recognize that the people who we hate, are actually just people. And that they are more similar to us than we like to admit. Or more specifically, that their actions are actually perfectly rational.

If you brand them "crazy" then its easy to dismiss them. Or to pretend that all you have to do is kill or capture the few crazies and the "idea" will suddenly be defeated. No, you must defeat ideas by actually defeating the ideas. Or more specifically, you must eliminate or undermine the cause of the idea.


Basically, although I don't really like Woodrow Wilson for a variety of reasons. Had the French and British listened to Woodrow Wilson circa 1918, there never would have been a Hitler. There might have been National Socialism(IE Sweden), but not the militaristic/lebensraum type of National Socialism that was a result of the Blockade of Germany, the occupation of the Ruhr, and the confiscation of German lands(especially Danzig).


I would rather get rid of the cause of hate, rather than complain that hate exists. Basically, fix the root of the problem, otherwise, history will just keep repeating itself.

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Old 10-05-2014, 07:18 AM
 
Location: The Lone Star State
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How ironic is it that Europe's race obsessed madman Hitler is the reason why these events are transpiring? The White Man is getting his just desserts. Thank God for Spain that the vast majority of foreigners in the country are not Muslim, but Catholics from Latin America and an assortment from the Philippines. Should of thought of the consequences before you fools with green and blue eyes decided that you were better than everyone else, and thus, everyone who didn't have green and blue eyes (Spanish, Portuguese, Italians, and Japanese exempted) should die. Karma sucks, and northern Europe is getting seconds and thirds
Uh, Hitler rose to power in Germany. The only way the Nazis gained power elsewhere in Europe was by war and conquering, not because they were welcomed with open arms.
Further, my grandfather having light hair and blue eyes wasn't enough to keep him from being thrown into a concentration camp, beat and nearly starved to death. It was not all about race, you know.
 
Old 10-05-2014, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Very informative and enlightening article. I do think that Europe is going to become Muslim and French will likely be the first Western European nation that will be forced to pray to Mecca...might be 50 years maybe less. The population is going to avalanche due to birth rates and immigration and then probably just win by democratic process.

UK, Germany, Spain will eventually have to decide how to deal with these Islamists in their midst...succumb or fight.

The USA is a different case with our Mexican and Central American immigrants. We are not going to be threatened by this but it will result in the USA losing its status as the world's economic power and we will begin to become more like Mexico & Brazil.

Canada has adopted the policies that helped make the USA so great while the USA is abandoning its successful policies on immigration. Not sure if they will take the mantle of technology powerhouse. Better watch if the Jews start emigrating there are elsewhere with their great wealth.
 
Old 10-05-2014, 07:42 AM
 
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Uh, Hitler rose to power in Germany. The only way the Nazis gained power elsewhere in Europe was by war and conquering, not because they were welcomed with open arms.
Vichy France, Austria, Romania, Lithuania, the Ukraine, and the million or so Russians under Vlasov would disagree with you.
 
Old 10-05-2014, 07:48 AM
 
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Well the UK is in a panic about the young British Muslims going off to get radicalized and then coming back home.
Other countries are worried as well but not as much as the UK.
Sweden is undergoing a Muslim influx and with it accepting thousands of Syrian refugees, you will see a firm Muslim minority in the country in the next 20 years.
 
Old 10-05-2014, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Fantastic article..When I was in college, I remember discussions about China's birth rate and the long term consequences.....but not in the manner this guy looks at it. I feel so sorry my future grandchildren. I sometimes think they will never have a chance.
Interview: A Continent of Losers - trykkefrihed.dk
Not sure why a 7 year old article is relevant.

But what is more interesting is that author of the article, Lars Hedegaard is an anti-muslim extremist who when attacked was defended by Muslims.

"However, as Mr. Hedegaard’s own opinions, a stew of anti-Muslim bile and conspiracy-laden forecasts of a coming civil war, came into focus, Denmark’s unity in the face of violence began to dissolve into familiar squabbles over immigration, hate speech and the causes of extremism. But then something unusual happened.

Muslim groups in the country, which were often criticized during the cartoon furor for not speaking out against violence and even deliberately fanning the flames, raised their voices to condemn the attack on Mr. Hedegaard and support his right to express his views, no matter how odious."

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/28/wo...pagewanted=all

Muslims Defend Free Speech of Anti-Muslim Extremist | In The Fray
 
Old 10-05-2014, 08:10 AM
 
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How ironic is it that Europe's race obsessed madman Hitler is the reason why these events are transpiring? The White Man is getting his just desserts. Thank God for Spain that the vast majority of foreigners in the country are not Muslim, but Catholics from Latin America and an assortment from the Philippines. Should of thought of the consequences before you fools with green and blue eyes decided that you were better than everyone else, and thus, everyone who didn't have green and blue eyes (Spanish, Portuguese, Italians, and Japanese exempted) should die. Karma sucks, and northern Europe is getting seconds and thirds
Uh; what the hell are you talking about? Europe in 2014 is "accepting" of Muslims and so on. Way too accepting of their nasty cultures. Maybe Europe NEEDS to start playing HARD with the Middle East instead. Sheesh!
 
Old 10-05-2014, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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You all should read the book, "While Europe Slept: How Radical Islam is Destroying the West from Within." The book was written in 2007. The author, a gay man who didn't like how gays were treated in the US, went to Europe to live with his partner. He had his, Holy sh**! moment pretty quickly. This is from the Amazon book description:

"As an American living in Europe since 1998, Bruce Bawer has seen this problem up close. Across the continent—in Amsterdam, Oslo, Copenhagen, Paris, Berlin, Madrid, and Stockholm—he encountered large, rapidly expanding Muslim enclaves in which women were oppressed and abused, homosexuals persecuted and killed, “infidels” threatened and vilified, Jews demonized and attacked, barbaric traditions (such as honor killing and forced marriage) widely practiced, and freedom of speech and religion firmly repudiated.
The European political and media establishment turned a blind eye to all this, selling out women, Jews, gays, and democratic principles generally—even criminalizing free speech—in order to pacify the radical Islamists and preserve the illusion of multicultural harmony. The few heroic figures who dared to criticize Muslim extremists and speak up for true liberal values were systematically slandered as fascist bigots. Witnessing the disgraceful reaction of Europe’s elites to 9/11, to the terrorist attacks on Madrid, Beslan, and London, and to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, Bawer concluded that Europe was heading inexorably down a path to cultural suicide."

http://www.amazon.com/While-Europe-S...e+europe+slept

It's one of the best books I've read. In fact, I think I will re-read it.
 
Old 10-05-2014, 10:52 AM
 
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Why are Americans so concerned about what the Europeans are doing relative to this topic?

They're big boys. They'll do what's best for them....or not.
 
Old 10-05-2014, 11:02 AM
 
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Well the UK is in a panic about the young British Muslims going off to get radicalized and then coming back home.
Other countries are worried as well but not as much as the UK.
I remember when Europe used to criticize American violence and always accused our guns. The answer is muti-culuralism which is not at all the same as a melting pot. Hard to believe that kind of stupidity and denial exists in this world. Europe is one of the most blood soaked areas in the world due to culture conflict. They finally stop killing each other , and in a generation its forgotten. So now they start importing people who want to kill them.
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