What Does The Right To "Bear" Arms Really Mean? (weapon, independence)
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Did you ever think of studying the Constitution and the Federalist Papers, and other writings of the Founders, instead of making guesses as to what the Second Amendment means?
This post is specifically about the "bearing" of arms, not the "keeping" of arms...
Some people aren't going to like this, but I'm gonna say it anyway, because it's an intellectually honest opinion......Truth is, I'm not so sure the founders intended a Constitutional Right to carry around a firearm in daily life for personal self defense.
Oh, I believe you may think that. You're also 100% wrong.
"...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
I suppose you can argue that they were illiterate and had no idea what they wrote and debated.
Oh, I believe you may think that. You're also 100% wrong.
"...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
I suppose you can argue that they were illiterate and had no idea what they wrote and debated.
I find such a notion unconvincing.
No, they weren't. They were brilliant men. You on the other hand, I'm not so sure about, as it's obvious you didn't read the entirety of the OP, and just assumed I'm another anti-gunner tryng to take your guns away. Nothing further could be from the truth.
Article II, Section 12, Montana State Constitution, as ratified by the people of Montana by Referendum No. 68, on 6 June 1972:
"RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. The right of any person to keep or bear arms
in defense of his own home, person, and property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall not be called in question, but nothing herein contained shall be held to permit the carrying of concealed weapons."
OP, what do you think the folks in Montana were thinking when they ratified this Constitution in 1972?
What do you think the clause "...in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned,..." means? Could it be that the clause means that ALL citizens of the State Of Montana are, in fact, members of the "Unorganized Montana State Militia"?
Of so, does THAT mean that any Citizen of the State that does not have the proper "arms" to "bear" "in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned" is in violation of the Constitution, and subject to prosecution?
If so, are the Citizens of The United States required to have such arms ready to hand in order to comply with the Unorganized Militia provisions of Title 10, United States Code? If a Citizen does not have the proper weapons, and is not proficient in the use of such weapons, is he (or she) in violation of the USC, and subject to prosecution?
Inquiring minds are wondering....
Article II, Section 12, Montana State Constitution, as ratified by the people of Montana by Referendum No. 68, on 6 June 1972:
"RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. The right of any person to keep or bear arms
in defense of his own home, person, and property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall not be called in question, but nothing herein contained shall be held to permit the carrying of concealed weapons."
OP, what do you think the folks in Montana were thinking when they ratified this Constitution in 1972?
What do you think the clause "...in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned,..." means? Could it be that the clause means that ALL citizens of the State Of Montana are, in fact, members of the "Unorganized Montana State Militia"?
Of so, does THAT mean that any Citizen of the State that does not have the proper "arms" to "bear" "in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned" is in violation of the Constitution, and subject to prosecution?
If so, are the Citizens of The United States required to have such arms ready to hand in order to comply with the Unorganized Militia provisions of Title 10, United States Code? If a Citizen does not have the proper weapons, and is not proficient in the use of such weapons, is he (or she) in violation of the USC, and subject to prosecution?
Inquiring minds are wondering....
Apparently the OP has no problem with people owning as many firearms as they want, but he does not want anyone using them for any reason because that would mean you are actually "bearing" arms.
It is truly pathetic the machinations and hoops the anti-gun nuts jump through to try to convince people to give up their constitutionally protected rights. Obviously they are not very bright.
Apparently the OP has no problem with people owning as
many firearms as they want, but he does not want anyone using them for any reason because that would mean you are actually "bearing" arms.
Really? I made the argument you shouldn't be able to use them? Where have I advocated for that on this thread or anywhere else? In fact, where have I even said you shouldn't be able to carry them? I carry one every day that I walk out the door, so that would be pretty hypocritical of me, wouldn't it? I only question whether or not the 2A protects a Right to carry one or not.
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It is truly pathetic the machinations and hoops the anti-gun nuts jump through
to try to convince people to give up their constitutionally protected rights.
Obviously they are not very bright.
What is truly pathetic, is that we are unable to have an innocent meaningful dialogue - absent of any political agenda or motivations mind you - about the historical context and implications of the Constitution without you trying to stifle it with your ignorant, cut-throat rhetoric. Thankfully you're in the minority. Take off your blinders. Not everyone who questions the "Gospel of the Second Amendment according to Glitch" is an anti-gunner.
There pretext is for public safety but the fact of the matter is, rifles are very rarely used in crime.
Rifles typically are used to resist actions of a corrupt government, that is what the 2 A is about.
UN agenda 21 wants to remove your rifles, all of them..
Every effort is to disarm the public so they have less capability to resist treason.
In this way only the criminals will be armed one way or another.
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