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Old 10-30-2014, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Amongst the AZ Cactus
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Originally Posted by Dane_in_LA View Post
Not bloody likely - fear sells.
As does Stupidity. And Selfishness. It's all for sale in the end.
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Old 10-30-2014, 04:26 PM
 
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Australia is a continent, so are we.
Sigh. Kirdik, I am well aware that Australia is a continent. Apparently you are unaware that the united states is not in fact a continent. Which is kind of my point, we have tons of borders, both to the north and south, the idea of setting up soldiers every 10 feet or so doesn't even remotely consider the costs associated, or that those soldiers could be exposed to it and bring it back in as well.

Overall the idea of sealing ourselves in is not reasonable. Obamas point that we need to solve this problem at the source by helping people is very valid. Even more importantly, its the right thing to do.
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Old 10-30-2014, 04:27 PM
 
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Why would she be doing that when she's already sure she doesn't have ebola? So she's contradicting herself.
No, she's not.

She is sure she isn't contagious.

She doesn't know for sure that she's Ebola free.

Like many viruses, a person can be infected, but not contagious. Since quarantines are meant to prevent contagion, it is not logical to quarantine someone who is not contagious. She's self-monitoring, because the guidelines allow someone to identify within a very small window in time when they might have become contagious. At a point where they are hardly contagious at all. Remember, Sawyer became symptomatic while he was flying, and no one on the planes, no one at the airport was infected. As the disease progresses, the virus multiplies in the body, increasing the viral load that is present in a person's bodily fluids. That's why Mr Duncan didn't infect anyone in the apartment where he was living for three days progressively getting sicker. His viral load was still low. It was after, in the hospital, that his viral load became so high.

Right now, Nurse Hickox doesn't have any symptoms of Ebola. She's not contagious. Ebola is not like the flu. She's self-monitoring because Ebola is a disease that can be treated successfully. Just like Nurse Pham, who was self-monitoring. Nurse Pham didn't infect anyone else. Self-monitoring is effective.
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Old 10-30-2014, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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OMG. You are speaking tongue-in-cheek, right? Nurses are not god. We should trust a nurse who thinks her precious rights are being stomped on when it is universal knowledge in the real scientific community that 21 days is the incubation period? I wonder what else she might have thought unnecessary.
Who has she exposed during the 21 day period thus far?
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Old 10-30-2014, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Near a river
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Please read the second paragraph of your link.

No order has been served to Nurse Hickox. NO ORDER.
Just as well, she'd probably bite the hand of anyone serving the order...
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Old 10-30-2014, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Near a river
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Look, let's talk turkey here.

That dame's got a lot of hormones, and the governor had no business whatsoever "negotiating" with her. Quarantines are not open to compromise. If she can't take the heat, she should get out of the kitchen.

Imagine the chaos, not to mention the threat to public health, should her petulance set a precedent for others. Ridiculous.
That's the real point.
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Old 10-30-2014, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Inland Empire, Calif
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I think the big 0, or is he the big ZERO?, should embrace Ebola..! Up close and personal, all sweaty and juicy.. Nothing sticks to the communist..! He walks on water, surely he can cure Ebola...
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Old 10-30-2014, 04:32 PM
 
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Where is everybody getting that there is "no risk"? Every reputable source says the risk of transmission is within a 21-day period (and in semen up to 90 days, but that's her...I mean his...problem). No official is dying to enforce quarantine on someone without cause.
EVERYTHING we've learned about this disease in the DECADES that it's been infecting humans tells us that a person who is not symptomatic is not contagious. If it were contagious when people were asymptomatic, then it would be much more widespread. That's just plain math.

Since quarantine is meant to prevent contagion, to quarantine someone for Ebola who is not symptomatic is to quarantine someone without cause.
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Old 10-30-2014, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Amongst the AZ Cactus
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She sounds like a libertarian
Except she may have forgotten one of the underlying beliefs a Libertarian stands for:

What does the libertarian party believe in What does the libertarians believe

"To put it simply, Libertarians believe that you have the right to live your life as you wish, without the government interfering -- as long as you don't violate the rights of others."

Time will tell if she violates the rights of others by possibility exposing and infecting others with Ebola. She's rolling the dice.
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Old 10-30-2014, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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No, she's not.

She is sure she isn't contagious.

She doesn't know for sure that she's Ebola free.

Like many viruses, a person can be infected, but not contagious. Since quarantines are meant to prevent contagion, it is not logical to quarantine someone who is not contagious. She's self-monitoring, because the guidelines allow someone to identify within a very small window in time when they might have become contagious. At a point where they are hardly contagious at all. Remember, Sawyer became symptomatic while he was flying, and no one on the planes, no one at the airport was infected. As the disease progresses, the virus multiplies in the body, increasing the viral load that is present in a person's bodily fluids. That's why Mr Duncan didn't infect anyone in the apartment where he was living for three days progressively getting sicker. His viral load was still low. It was after, in the hospital, that his viral load became so high.

Right now, Nurse Hickox doesn't have any symptoms of Ebola. She's not contagious. Ebola is not like the flu. She's self-monitoring because Ebola is a disease that can be treated successfully. Just like Nurse Pham, who was self-monitoring. Nurse Pham didn't infect anyone else. Self-monitoring is effective.
It's fear versus science. Right now fear is in control and, to make matters worse, being exploited by politicians for their own purposes. It should be the role of political leaders to implore us to stop the fear and let knowledge and science guide our decisions. But they are all, but Obama, running for something or planning to at some point in the future. Accordingly, Obama is about the only one, left or right, calling for a calm, sensible approach to the returning health workers. Unfortunately Obama is so inept at making his point that no one is listening to him.
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