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Old 10-15-2014, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Austin
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We thank them and weep with their colleagues.
They are heroes, truly. As are the health care professionals in Dallas caring for those infected and to be infected. Every single one of them.
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Old 10-15-2014, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Under the conditions they are working, it is actually more startling that so few have contracted it. We have one case in a modern hospital in a large city and 2 (so far) workers are sick. You should read the link posted to what the nurses' union said about the Dallas hospital. It is absolutely inexcusable how this case was handled. They did not even begin to follow established procedure for management of an Ebola patient. We will be very fortunate if this one case does not spread well outside the persons who treated Duncan.
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Old 10-15-2014, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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A different point of view from Forbes:

" There are many reasons why a flight ban would be practically impossible to implement. An effective ban would require international coordination. Would every nation agree to quarantine West Africa, to cripple their economy and choke them of humanitarian aid? Unlikely.

The only way to stop Ebola going truly global is to beat the epidemic in West Africa.

Where would it end, isolating the North American subcontinent from the rest of the world?

A travel ban is short-sighted, and would be ineffective in the long run. It’s the epidemiological equivalent of an ostrich sticking its head in the sand: ignore the problem and hope it goes away."


Ebola Is Coming. A Travel Ban Won't Stop Outbreaks - Forbes
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Old 10-15-2014, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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A different point of view from Forbes:

" There are many reasons why a flight ban would be practically impossible to implement. An effective ban would require international coordination. Would every nation agree to quarantine West Africa, to cripple their economy and choke them of humanitarian aid? Unlikely.

The only way to stop Ebola going truly global is to beat the epidemic in West Africa.

Where would it end, isolating the North American subcontinent from the rest of the world?

A travel ban is short-sighted, and would be ineffective in the long run. It’s the epidemiological equivalent of an ostrich sticking its head in the sand: ignore the problem and hope it goes away."


Ebola Is Coming. A Travel Ban Won't Stop Outbreaks - Forbes
so says an opinion piece from Forbes, the voice of the 1% - people who only profit from globalism, but will never be at risk for Ebola.
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Old 10-15-2014, 08:52 AM
 
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This is why we need to halt this disease quickly, so it does not mutate like this.

Medical Research Org CIDRAP: Ebola Transmittable by Air

The highly respected Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP) at the University of Minnesota just advised the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and World Health Organization (WHO) that “there is scientific and epidemiologic evidence that Ebola virus has the potential to be transmitted via infectious aerosol particles,” including exhaled breath.

CIDRAP is warning that surgical facemasks do not prevent transmission of Ebola, and healthcare professionals (HCP) must immediately be outfitted with full-hooded protective gear and powered air-purifying respirators.
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Old 10-15-2014, 08:55 AM
 
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I'm not sure everyone understands the almost total control that the Federal Government has on this issue.

The apartment of Patient Zero could not even be cleaned and decontaminated without Federal Permits. The Waste could not be transported without Federal Permits from the Department of Transportation. The testing for Ebola in Dallas in done in Austin, TX by mandate of the CDC -- think about that -- they can't even do the blood test for Ebola in the City or Hospital where they are having outbreaks.

CDC May Not Identify Breach In Protocol Leading To Nurse’s Ebola Infection | CBS News, Dallas 10/14/14

County Health Director, Zachary Thompson told commissioners the CDC is considering approving the Dallas county lab to conduct testing for Ebola. Thompson said that would produce quicker results and save county staff time from driving down to Austin to have a lab there conduct the tests.

The CDC is "considering" approval for testing equipment in Dallas? Are you kidding me! They are Control Freaks with so much Red Tape to fight your way out of - no wonder they have a crisis they can't readily control now.
It's all about "manage the Crisis", "manage the News Cycle".
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Old 10-15-2014, 08:57 AM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Default A ban does not choke off foreign aid...

...in fact, foreign aid could be stepped up with a coordinated international response using military planes and ships and chartered private flights.

It's 10/15 - let's think about what has happened in less than one month:

Duncan reportedly first had contact with the pregnant ebola victim on 9/19 in Liberia, left for the US on 9/21, presented to the Dallas Hospital and was sent home on 9/25, and subsequently was admitted when his conditioned worsened.

It is 10/15 - less than a month since Duncan reportedly first had contact with the ebola victim in Liberia. We now have 2 confirmed cases of US healthcare workers with ebola from coming into contact with Duncan. One of the 2 workers' boyfriend is under observation potentially with ebola like symptoms. Some 70 other healthcare workers had contact with Duncan. The nurses' union describes how the hospital was completely unprepared. The nurses exposed to Duncan treated other patients. The nurses and other healthcare workers exposed to Duncan had contact with who knows how many family members, friends, the general public, etc.

In a story I linked a few days ago, US customs officials say 150 travelers a day on average arrive in the US that have traveled from or thru the countries hit hardest by ebola in Africa. How many could have ebola but, like Duncan if the reports are true, be asymptomatic.

A lot has happened in the less than one month since Duncan had contact with the ebola victim in Liberia on 9/19. Best case scenario: no one else has it and we are left with 2 healthcare workers fighting for their lives from a disease the victim they contracted it from didn't have less than one month ago.

What may the next 3-4 weeks bring? If you can't see how this COULD spiral out of control, exponentially - you probably aren't that smart. We all hope it won't. Who has confidence in our government to contain this if more Mr. Duncans show up in cities across the US?
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Old 10-15-2014, 08:59 AM
 
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A different point of view from Forbes:

" There are many reasons why a flight ban would be practically impossible to implement. An effective ban would require international coordination. Would every nation agree to quarantine West Africa, to cripple their economy and choke them of humanitarian aid? Unlikely.

The only way to stop Ebola going truly global is to beat the epidemic in West Africa.

Where would it end, isolating the North American subcontinent from the rest of the world?

A travel ban is short-sighted, and would be ineffective in the long run. It’s the epidemiological equivalent of an ostrich sticking its head in the sand: ignore the problem and hope it goes away."


Ebola Is Coming. A Travel Ban Won't Stop Outbreaks - Forbes
We aren't stupid, a passport issued by Liberia would clearly show that the person was from Liberia, and the passport would be stamped with date and time of the departure from the originating country. If the passport shows a recent departure from an infected country, we halt the entire flight right there, and not even let the other people on the plane disembark.

Once we send a few planes back to whatever country they came from, you can be damned straight they will start checking who boards them.
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Old 10-15-2014, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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I'm not sure everyone understands the almost total control that the Federal Government has on this issue.

The apartment of Patient Zero could not even be cleaned and decontaminated without Federal Permits. The Waste could not be transported without Federal Permits from the Department of Transportation. The testing for Ebola in Dallas in done in Austin, TX by mandate of the CDC -- think about that -- they can't even do the blood test for Ebola in the City or Hospital where they are having outbreaks.

CDC May Not Identify Breach In Protocol Leading To Nurse’s Ebola Infection | CBS News, Dallas 10/14/14

County Health Director, Zachary Thompson told commissioners the CDC is considering approving the Dallas county lab to conduct testing for Ebola. Thompson said that would produce quicker results and save county staff time from driving down to Austin to have a lab there conduct the tests.

The CDC is "considering" approval for testing equipment in Dallas? Are you kidding me! They are Control Freaks with so much Red Tape to fight your way out of - no wonder they have a crisis they can't readily control now.
It's all about "manage the Crisis", "manage the News Cycle".
That would seem like a very good idea based on the Texas experience. The nurses report yesterday said that they sent Duncan's blood samples down the same tubes that transmit every other patient's labs potentially contaminating the entire hospital. What CDC is trying to do is convince us that our local health care providers are prepared to deal with Ebola and contain it. What the Dallas experience says is completely the opposite.
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Old 10-15-2014, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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This article seeks to fix blame on WHO, who did not declare a global epidemic until 8/8, 4.5 months into the epidemic.

A failure to imagine? Lack of funding/resources? Focusing their attention on first world health issues given the lion's share of WHO's funding comes from private first world donors?


How Ebola sped out of control | The Washington Post
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