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Old 10-15-2014, 05:47 AM
 
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We've had this discussion before I believe.

41 million were uninsured in 2001.
47 million were uninsured in 2006.
49.9 million were uninsured in 2010.
48.6 million were uninsured in 2011
48 million were uninsured in 2012
I don't see any hard numbers for 2013, but it appears to be greater than 47 million uninsured.

Overview of the Uninsured in the US: Analysis of the 2007 CPS

The uninsured rate increased every year from 2001 until 2007 (the only year it dropped) and then continued to rise until finally decreasing in 2011.

The Number of Uninsured Americans Is At An All-Time High — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities
Number of Uninsured Americans Drops - US News
https://www.census.gov/hhes/www/hlth...ighlights.html
More Americans Uninsured in 2011
Number Of Uninsured Americans Drops By 1.3 million - Kaiser Health News
https://www.census.gov/hhes/www/hlth...ighlights.html
48 Million Americans Remain Uninsured, Census Bureau Reports - Kaiser Health News

That article is talking about the April forecast where the CBO stated too many variables had changed to make a prediction, but the first CBO link I gave you is from May where they reaffirmed a deficit reduction would occur.
Yeah we've had this discussion beore and all of those figures INCLUDE illegals which arent covered by ACA..

2014 we had a DROP in uninsured to 41 million, thats down from 46 million but thats AFTER it climbed from 36 million (of which Obama claimed it was only 30 million). I'm actually giving him a benefit of 6 million individuals and you are still arguing with me..

I'm sorry if you dont like facts but they are what they are..

Note the climb in your figures, thats because IT CLIMBED, exactly what I said it did. Inunsured climbs during economic hardships and then falls during recoveries...

If your 48 million was true, this would make ACA a complete failure because we are supposed to be covering EVERY american.. The truth be told its only 41 million..
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Old 10-15-2014, 05:57 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Since ACA was adopted several of my friends have been eligible for health insurance for the first time in decades due to previous disease. This change in the rules justifies the entire system. Why should insurance have only been available to cancer victims if they were insured prior to becoming ill?

The difficulty I have with the ADA is it still allows and encourages the privately owned insurance companies a place to hog the profits. It should have been a completely government owned system instead of a privately owned crooked casino. The medical costs could have been controlled by open and scrutinized bidding by the drug industry and medical providers. Elimination of private sector monopolies and collusion would drop the medical costs for the entire economy.

The primary benefit of a universal health care system is it nearly eliminates the financial disasters created by the external bad luck of becoming ill.
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Old 10-15-2014, 06:15 AM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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Yeah we've had this discussion beore and all of those figures INCLUDE illegals which arent covered by ACA..

2014 we had a DROP in uninsured to 41 million, thats down from 46 million but thats AFTER it climbed from 36 million (of which Obama claimed it was only 30 million). I'm actually giving him a benefit of 6 million individuals and you are still arguing with me..

I'm sorry if you dont like facts but they are what they are..

Note the climb in your figures, thats because IT CLIMBED, exactly what I said it did. Inunsured climbs during economic hardships and then falls during recoveries...

If your 48 million was true, this would make ACA a complete failure because we are supposed to be covering EVERY american.. The truth be told its only 41 million..
Once the states that have refused expanded Medicaid accept it quite a few more will be insured.
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Old 10-15-2014, 06:21 AM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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Since ACA was adopted several of my friends have been eligible for health insurance for the first time in decades due to previous disease. This change in the rules justifies the entire system. Why should insurance have only been available to cancer victims if they were insured prior to becoming ill?

The difficulty I have with the ADA is it still allows and encourages the privately owned insurance companies a place to hog the profits. It should have been a completely government owned system instead of a privately owned crooked casino. The medical costs could have been controlled by open and scrutinized bidding by the drug industry and medical providers. Elimination of private sector monopolies and collusion would drop the medical costs for the entire economy.

The primary benefit of a universal health care system is it nearly eliminates the financial disasters created by the external bad luck of becoming ill.
Thats true. I am no fan of ACA but it is the first step in that direction.
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Old 10-15-2014, 06:29 AM
 
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Instead of just bickering, what would you do to change the system to make it more fair and equitable. Raised by a single mom after dad died, she paid all her health insurance premiums faithfully and when she needed insurance for her ovarian cancer, guess what Prudential and Metropolitan "canceled" her. After all that time. And, of course, she died at a very early age. From where I sit, the "no pre existing conditions" if the best part of the entire obamacare and/or medicare program. So, if you don't have a different regime, no one cares about your opinions.
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Old 10-15-2014, 06:46 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Medicare Part B premiums will be $104.90 per month in 2015, which is the same as the 2014 premiums. The Part B deductible will also remain the same for 2015, at $147. The Medicare Part A deductible, which covers the first 60 days of Medicare-covered inpatient hospital care, will rise to $1,260 in 2015, a $44 increase from 2014. The daily coinsurance rate for days 21 through 100 in a skilled nursing facility will also increase slightly, to $157.50 in 2015.


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If you are on Medicare you will see very slight increases to your costs. Meanwhile the liberals with Obummercare will receive bigger increases. This is what gubbermint health care has brought us...Vote Tea Party 2014.
Consider these figures and then consider the policies the feds employ are target rich market places for fraud. Fraud that apparently is an accepted loss. When you talk about 200 and 16 B$$ spent realize the government is doing lip service to bring the costs down. they are, however, more than willing to seek more tx money to replace that lost by their irresponsible actions. In one year fraud recovery was more than 0ne quarter of the 16 b$$ figure. Not the way to run healthcare of anything else.

"How big a retirement planning problem is Medicare fraud?
In a May 2012 report, FBI Special Agent David Welker said, “The United States spends more than $2.5 trillion on health care annually, and rough estimates indicate that anywhere from 3 (percent) to 10 percent of all health care expenditures are attributed to fraud."
If you do Welker's math, the annual cost of fraud ranges from $75 billion to $250 billion. That's a lot of our hard-earned retirement money.
The Government Accounting Office doesn't think this estimate is far wrong. It reported that in 2011, Medicare and Medicaid paid an annual $65 billion in "improper payments." It defines "improper" to include payments that are made in error -- not fraud, but wrong just the same.
The government is working on the problem. In 2012, the Department of Justice and the FBI together recovered $4.2 billion in fraudulent payments. They opened 1,311 new criminal health care fraud investigations involving 2,148 defendants. Once these crooks are convicted, the Affordable Care Act authorizes more jail time. Medicare scammers will receive 20 percent to 50 percent longer sentences for crimes that involve more than $1 million in losses."


Read more: How big is Medicare fraud? « Bankrate, Inc.
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Old 10-15-2014, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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Consider these figures and then consider the policies the feds employ are target rich market places for fraud. Fraud that apparently is an accepted loss. When you talk about 200 and 16 B$$ spent realize the government is doing lip service to bring the costs down. they are, however, more than willing to seek more tx money to replace that lost by their irresponsible actions. In one year fraud recovery was more than 0ne quarter of the 16 b$$ figure. Not the way to run healthcare of anything else.

"How big a retirement planning problem is Medicare fraud?
In a May 2012 report, FBI Special Agent David Welker said, “The United States spends more than $2.5 trillion on health care annually, and rough estimates indicate that anywhere from 3 (percent) to 10 percent of all health care expenditures are attributed to fraud."
If you do Welker's math, the annual cost of fraud ranges from $75 billion to $250 billion. That's a lot of our hard-earned retirement money.
The Government Accounting Office doesn't think this estimate is far wrong. It reported that in 2011, Medicare and Medicaid paid an annual $65 billion in "improper payments." It defines "improper" to include payments that are made in error -- not fraud, but wrong just the same.
The government is working on the problem. In 2012, the Department of Justice and the FBI together recovered $4.2 billion in fraudulent payments. They opened 1,311 new criminal health care fraud investigations involving 2,148 defendants. Once these crooks are convicted, the Affordable Care Act authorizes more jail time. Medicare scammers will receive 20 percent to 50 percent longer sentences for crimes that involve more than $1 million in losses."


Read more: How big is Medicare fraud? « Bankrate, Inc.
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The current governor of Florida did his share in this.
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Old 10-15-2014, 06:55 AM
 
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Instead of just bickering, what would you do to change the system to make it more fair and equitable. Raised by a single mom after dad died, she paid all her health insurance premiums faithfully and when she needed insurance for her ovarian cancer, guess what Prudential and Metropolitan "canceled" her. After all that time. And, of course, she died at a very early age. From where I sit, the "no pre existing conditions" if the best part of the entire obamacare and/or medicare program. So, if you don't have a different regime, no one cares about your opinions.
Remember that the right wants to take this away from you and they have no full thought out plan on how to replace the ACA with a better system......except tort reform and selling across state line
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Old 10-15-2014, 07:05 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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cause YOUR LYING

Obamacare is expected to cost ONE TRILLION and caused millions to lose policies

but hey, you've got an agenda..
People like this should die young. It would serve them right for complaining about health care for seniors.

Hey, wait; wasn't it Democrat Alan Grayson that said Republicans wanted seniors to die? Now it seems like it's the Democrats like Borregokid wanting seniors to die.
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Old 10-15-2014, 07:07 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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It takes 10 years for Obummercare to cost 1.35 trillion dollars. It takes Medicare and VA two years to spend the same amount of money. The programs you love and support cost taxpayers five times as much as obummercare. Obummercare depends on private companies and the programs you support depend on gubbermint single payer...socialism. You never know where you will find a socialist.
How much has been spent on Obamacare already? Case closed.
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