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Old 10-19-2014, 07:52 AM
 
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Comparing the amount of money fossil fuel companies and billionaires have poured into global warming disinformation or the amount of money that these individuals and companies have to lose by legislation to reduce carbon emmissions to the amount of money that scientists who work for research institutes that support global warming have to gain from global warming legislation, is as ludicrous and ridiculous a comparison that one can make. If the argument wasn't so sad and pathetic it would be beyond comical.
Utter horsecrap. There are ten of BILLIONS of dollars allocated in the U.S. budget YEARLY for continuing climate change research and green initiatives that are all predicated on climate change alarmism and fear mongering.
Do you really think the scientists who belong to the organizations that get those funding dollars or the green energy companies are interested in science that might say global warming isn't as bad as we thought and it's been over exaggerated?

Furthermore, if science is corrupt and for sale, it's naive and stupid to think that only the skeptical scientists are for sale.

 
Old 10-19-2014, 07:53 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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yep, and if you would do the same with your side of the debate, you would find that the reality is that AGW alarmism is also a load of crap. when the shills on both sides of the debate are making large amounts of money, you can bet that something is fishy here. unfortunately you are too blinded to see that.
Do you really believe that climate scientists are making huge amounts of money? Seriously? If climate scientists are in it for the money, they’re doing it wrong | Ars Technica
 
Old 10-19-2014, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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typical response ... kill the messenger
Your response...Bribe the messenger to lie.
 
Old 10-19-2014, 08:04 AM
 
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Between 2003 and 2010, more than $7 billion were spent by conservative billionaires to fund anti-AGW organizations such as the Heritage Foundation, the Heartland Institute, and the Competitive Enterprise Institute........ Follow the money
Indeed, let's follow the money...

From the same time period, according to the United States Government Accounting Office, annual federal climate spending has increased from $4.6 billion in 2003 to $8.8 billion in 2010, amounting to $106.7 billion over that period.

106.7 Billion allocated to groups predicated on there being an impending climate crisis versus 7 billions paid to groups denying said crisis.
http://www.gao.gov/assets/320/318556.pdf
 
Old 10-19-2014, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Your response...Bribe the messenger to lie.
your response..disavow the science

science shows the earth has cooled and warmed many times...has ZERO to do with man
 
Old 10-19-2014, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Here
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Your response...Bribe the messenger to lie.

Kinda like, say what what they want to hear to keep the funding coming. Works both ways don't it?
 
Old 10-19-2014, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Utter horsecrap. There are ten of BILLIONS of dollars allocated in the U.S. budget YEARLY for continuing climate change research and green initiatives that are all predicated on climate change alarmism and fear mongering.
Do you really think the scientists who belong to the organizations that get those funding dollars or the green energy companies are interested in science that might say global warming isn't as bad as we thought and it's been over exaggerated?

Furthermore, if science is corrupt and for sale, it's naive and stupid to think that only the skeptical scientists are for sale.
Most scientists are honest and have integrity.....That is why there are so few on the denier side of this issue, and most of them are rewarded by the fossil fuel corporations.

A think tank partly funded by Exxon Mobil sent letters to scientists offering them up to $10,000 to critique findings in a major global warming study released Friday which found that global warming was real and likely caused by burning fossil fuels. The American Enterprise Institute sent the letters to scientists offering them $10,000, plus travel and other expenses, to highlight the shortcomings in a report from the United Nation's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a group widely considered to be the authority on climate change science.
Exxon-funded group

How about you give me an example of a climate scientist who backs AGW and has accepted money to falsify his/her findings.
 
Old 10-19-2014, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Kinda like, say what what they want to hear to keep the funding coming. Works both ways don't it?
Actually no, it doesn't....Do you expect climate scientist should work for free? Like a hobby maybe? They don't earn all that much... If climate scientists are in it for the money, they’re doing it wrong | Ars Technica
 
Old 10-19-2014, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Here
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Actually no, it doesn't....Do you expect climate scientist should work for free? Like a hobby maybe? They don't earn all that much... If climate scientists are in it for the money, they’re doing it wrong | Ars Technica
Nobody likes to work for free thus they are going to provide the "results" the folks writing their paychecks want to hear. Glad you understand.
 
Old 10-19-2014, 08:24 AM
 
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Utter horsecrap. There are ten of BILLIONS of dollars allocated in the U.S. budget YEARLY for continuing climate change research and green initiatives that are all predicated on climate change alarmism and fear mongering.
Do you really think the scientists who belong to the organizations that get those funding dollars or the green energy companies are interested in science that might say global warming isn't as bad as we thought and it's been over exaggerated?

Furthermore, if science is corrupt and for sale, it's naive and stupid to think that only the skeptical scientists are for sale.
There is nativity in this debate and the nativity comes into play with those that buy into the junk science and disinformation promulgated by the fossil fuel companies and and billionaire environmental law obstructionists.

See, over $64,000,000.00 spent by the Koch brothers on disinformation. Believe it or not, there are those individuals so blinded by ideology that they can't critically think and buy into that disinformation and junk science.

Koch Industries: Secretly Funding the Climate Denial Machine | Greenpeace

Yes,..your observation that green energy companies are on equal footing with fossil fuel companies when it comes to how much they have to gain from global warming legislation compared to what fossil fuel companies have to lose, is belied by the profits these fossil fuel companies make as well as the subsidies that these fossil fuel companies receive from the government...oh...I forgot...some believe that fossil fuel companies receive far less in government subsidies than green companies. I seriously doubt that.


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Our recent estimates put global fossil fuel subsidies at at least $775 billion USD per year, and perhaps as much as one trillion dollars. Ending fossil fuel subsidies could be a big a first step towards solving the climate problem.
The Price of Oil: Global Warming - Oil Change InternationalOil Change International
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