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Old 10-21-2014, 11:09 PM
 
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Originally Posted by T-310 View Post
They think prices will stay static. Raise the MW, and prices correspondingly go up.

They still lose.
And the result is.... once prices adjust, the $20/hr wage will still NOT be livable.
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Old 10-21-2014, 11:15 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Socialist party defends paying $13 hour an hour while calling for much higher minimum wage - The Dori Monson Show - MyNorthwest.com

Seattle socialists have been pushing for a $15/hr minimum wage, but the real goal is closer to $20/hr as even movement leader and self-described 'Marxist' Kshama Sawant has stated. She has said that $15 is just a nice round number that appears attainable right now, but that she has bigger and better goals in mind. Hey...good for her, she is willing to embrace the reductio ad absurdum that liberals would so often shy away from.

They are really undermining themselves here though. If a young programmer could get a $13/hr job as a web designer at the Freedom Socialist (oxymoron much?) party, and do a good job, he/she could probably rise up through the ranks and end up with a nice paying career. If the $20/hr minimum wage were to be imposed, the position would never be offered, and the young programmer might end up on food stamps and SSD.
I'll give you this one, that is pretty funny and ironic. If one is going to push for higher wages, then they should practice what they preach.
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Old 10-21-2014, 11:47 PM
 
Location: Oceania
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Answer these questions.

What do economically successful countries have in common as far as why they are such?

What is the chief industry of employment for the majority of citizens of the USA?

We don't do which other countries do?

We do one thing very well. War.
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Old 10-22-2014, 12:45 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Answer these questions.

What do economically successful countries have in common as far as why they are such?

What is the chief industry of employment for the majority of citizens of the USA?

We don't do which other countries do?

We do one thing very well. War.
Well why don't you enlighten us rather than give us cryptic questions? I can't even figure out what question #3 means.

I'm not so sure we are great at war overall. We lost Vietnam, lost Iraq, and it is not looking good in Afghanistan. We doubtless have the greatest military force the world has ever seen, but can we really say that we are good at fighting wars? We lack leadership and national unity.
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Old 10-22-2014, 01:30 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Answer these questions.

What do economically successful countries have in common as far as why they are such?

What is the chief industry of employment for the majority of citizens of the USA?

We don't do which other countries do?

We do one thing very well. War.
A large percentage of union workers that helps create a stable middle class and helps dictate what the minimum wages should be without the need of the government to do it for them.
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Old 10-22-2014, 01:34 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Well why don't you enlighten us rather than give us cryptic questions? I can't even figure out what question #3 means.

I'm not so sure we are great at war overall. We lost Vietnam, lost Iraq, and it is not looking good in Afghanistan. We doubtless have the greatest military force the world has ever seen, but can we really say that we are good at fighting wars? We lack leadership and national unity.
Actually we can say we are amazing at invading countries and winning wars, what we are not good at it building up a country after we destroyed it.
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Old 10-22-2014, 04:30 AM
 
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Actually we can say we are amazing at invading countries and winning wars, what we are not good at it building up a country after we destroyed it.
We did a pretty good job assisting in the rebuilding Germany and Japan after WWII.

Of course I suspect the fact that they were different culturally than the tribal mentalities of those we fought in the Middle East is why things are lost in the ME.
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Old 10-22-2014, 08:06 AM
 
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just as all of the gains should not go to the top, all of the gains should not go to the bottom. $20/hr is unreasonable based upon your definition. Of course $10.10 is reasonable, even a argument for $15 is not completely unreasonable. But $20 is not reasonable.
Based off what evidence?

Citing past productivity correlations, minimum wage should be rougly $21 / hour.
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Old 10-22-2014, 08:33 AM
 
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Based off what evidence?

Citing past productivity correlations, minimum wage should be rougly $21 / hour.
Got a citation? I can google it, but I suspect you have one handy.
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Old 10-22-2014, 09:00 AM
 
Location: NJ
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The hypocrisy of it all!
You are living in the past. Hypocracy has had any negative connotation removed and is now thought of as something everyone has.

That's why charges of hypocracy are meaningless and on the way out as is the concept of ethics.
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