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Old 11-02-2014, 05:07 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by KrazeeKrewe View Post
Thank You Obama & Democrats for Creating Jobs, Growing the Economy, Lowering Inflation & keeping US safe!
what jobs did Obazo and the dumbocrats create????.........NONE....unless you wish to count PART TIME JOBS

lower inflation....I think not

keeping us safe.....boston, ft hood, etc....yep real safe

 
Old 11-02-2014, 05:11 AM
 
Location: Western North Carolina
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Originally Posted by KrazeeKrewe View Post
Clinton & Democrat congress reversed Bush 1 increasing deficit spending. Clinton turned it into a surplus to match the payroll tax SS surplus coming in building up to fund baby boomers retirements. Bush gave all the SS money to wallstreet, crashed the economy & exploded the deficit spending. This caused massive inflation. Under Bush Oil went up 1,000%, Gold up 600%, Houses up 200%, Food up 400%, Water, Sewer, Gas, Electric all up 200% to 400%. The US dollar plunged over 50%

Obama has lowered deficit spending every year, thus lowering inflation & increasing the value of the US dollar.

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2...raph.png?g=Pw0
Two things Clinton did that have had serious repercussions:


The passage of NAFTA

The repeal of Glass-Steagall
 
Old 11-02-2014, 05:57 AM
 
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The Democrats have nothing to do with any of that.

I'm an inflation-Nazi.. so I'll be first to say our government does not control inflation. 99.9% of people in this country have no freaking clue about Inflation. Inflation is caused by oil prices and population demographics. Oil goes up, everything in the world goes up. Population goes down, demand for all goods comes down with it.
The inflation scenario you are talking about is half true if we were had a commodity such as gold for a currency. Today we have Federal Reserve fractional reserve banking system expanding our dollar currency. The US dollar is a fiat currency no longer backed by gold. The US dollar is only backed by faith & credit of the US government. "Starving Government in order to Drown it in a Bathtub" as Republicans do by increasing spending & cutting taxes is actually destroying the very faith & credit that backs our currency. Deficit spending & refusing to raise the debt ceiling to pay the government guaranteed debt obligations destroys the very faith & credit that backs our currency.

US dollar devaluation, inflation & interest rates soared in 1979 far exceeding inflation caused by the 1973 Arab Oil Embargo. This happened because investors in T-bills maturing April 26, 1979 were told that the U.S. Treasury could not make its payments on maturing securities to individual investors. The Treasury was also late in redeeming T-bills which become due on May 3 and May 10, 1979. Investors had to sue the federal government to get all their money & interest. The faith & credit of the US government is what is backing the US dollar.

Oil has huge power value, is transportable, currently wanted & consumed by most people on earth making it a most powerful commodity. Oil is not easily carried & traded for goods & services like the US dollar is. Nearly all oil exporters around the world price & sell oil in US dollars because the USA is the worlds largest consumer, producer & defender of oil. This makes the US dollar the "Petro-Dollar" that can be redeemed for oil in the most places in the world. We derive great benefits from petro-dollar recycling. Most Central Banks around the world hold US dollars in their reserves to leverage their currencies. Oil & Gold are the commodities that are most associated with the value of the US dollar.

Federal Reserve fractional reserve banking system multiplies the velocity of the US dollars. A dollar stuffed in a mattress for years does not drive up any prices. A dollar circulating many times a year will explode price inflation. Lending money causes inflation. Lending money to people why don't pay it back & are allowed to endlessly keep on borrowing causes massive inflation. This makes the fractional reserve fiat money only as good as the credit of it's borrowers.

Also the US treasury can simply print money. You see there are many more ways to cause inflation today than just population & oil.

Last edited by KrazeeKrewe; 11-02-2014 at 06:31 AM..
 
Old 11-02-2014, 06:07 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by KrazeeKrewe View Post
Clinton & Democrat congress reversed Bush 1 increasing deficit spending. Clinton turned it into a surplus to match the payroll tax SS surplus coming in building up to fund baby boomers retirements. Bush gave all the SS money to wallstreet, crashed the economy & exploded the deficit spending. This caused massive inflation. Under Bush Oil went up 1,000%, Gold up 600%, Houses up 200%, Food up 400%, Water, Sewer, Gas, Electric all up 200% to 400%. The US dollar plunged over 50%

Obama has lowered deficit spending every year, thus lowering inflation & increasing the value of the US dollar.

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2...raph.png?g=Pw0
uhm Obama hasn't lowered the deficit or inflation..

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LOOK AT THE NUMBERS
10/01/2009................................ 11,920,519,164,319.42
09/30/2010................................ 13,561,623,030,891.79
1,641,103,866,572............................1.6 trillion deficit fy10

10/01/2010.................................13,610,847,58 5,810.09
09/30/2011.................................14,790,340,32 8,557.15
1,179,492,742,747...........................1.17tr illion deficit fy11

09/30/2011................................ 14,790,340,328,557.15
09/28/2012................................ 16,066,241,407,385.89
1,275,901,078,828..........................1.27 trillion deficit fy12

10/01/2012.................................16,159,487,01 3,300.35
09/30/2013.................................16,738,183,52 6,697.32
578,696,513,397..............................578 billion deficit fy13......the only year under one trillion

10/01/2013................................. 16,747,478,675,335.18
09/30/2014................................. 17,824,071,380,733.82
1,076,592,705,398..............................1.0 7 trillion deficit fy14 which just ended

1.6 trillion DEFICIT
1.17 trillion DEFICIT
1.27 trillion DEFICIT
578 Billion DEFICIT (the only year under a trillion since fy09)
1.07 Trillion DEFICIT (this last fy that ended 30 days ago )


http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/debt/current .....................link
just as Clinton/newt never had a surplus

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Clinton/newt never had any surpluses.....they had PROJECTED surpluses...but the country SPENT the surpluses...if you project a surplus, then spend more than that surplus... you have a deficit

budgets are best guesses...projections

ie you can say we EXPECT/PROJECT the revenue to be 2 trillion and EXPECT the spending to be 3 trillion...a 1 trillion PROJECTED deficit

or you can say we EXPECT/PROJECT the revenue to be 2 trillion and EXPECT the spending to be 2 trillion...a PROJECTED balanced budget

ie you can say we EXPECT/PROJECT the revenue to be 2.1 trillion and EXPECT the spending to be 1.9 trillion...a 200 billion PROJECTED surplus

and the end of the year all the pluses and minuses are counted.... you can have

ie you can say we EXPECT/PROJECT the revenue to be 2 trillion and the spending to be 3 trillion...a 1 trillion PROJECTED deficit...but revenue rose to 2.2 trillion and we only spent 2.8 trillion...still a deficit but instead of a 1 trillion deficit, now its a 600 billion deficit


you can project a surplus..and have emergencies show up (ie the Mississippi valley flooding...911... etc) and completely blow the surplus to where it becomes a deficit



also remember for a PROJECTED BUDGET DEFICIT/SURPLUS you need an actual PASSED BUDGET

the simple FACT is the we have had trillion dollar DEFICITS each year for the last 6 years minus 1..fy13

Clinton never had a surplus


there never was a surplus


there was a PROJECTED BUDGET surplus

but there never was an actual surplus, where the debt went down

yes you can have a BUDGET (PROJECTED) surplus/deficit...but with a surplus, the debt will be paid DOWN, and will NOT increase...unless they .....SPENT the surplus, which makes it not a surplus

example
you make 60k..you currently have a debt of 15k......you budget 57k.. ...you have a projected surplus, of 3k..which should go to the debt and lower the debt to 12k........................

.......but.....

emergencies come up.......washer/dryer........1k........transmission on the mommie mobile......2k............unexpected medical bill not covered by insurance....3k.............hmmm 6k total


now what do you have........60k income...budget of 57k...debt of 15k....new spending of 6k.......your 3k surplus, with a 3k pay down of your 15k down to 12k....just turned into a 3k defiict,,and 3k of additional debt...making your total debt now UP to 18k


sorry, but the PROJECTED surpluses of clinton/newt never happened...the debt never got paid, and the debt infact INCREASED


the simple fact is if there had been a surplus, then the debt would have gone down...it didn't


was the BUDGET balanced.....yes

was there a PROJECTED SURPLUS.....yes

was there an actual surplus , once all in's and out's were counted.....NO

Fiscal
Year........ YearEnding.... ..National Debt........Annual budget Deficit

FY1994..... 09/30/1994.... $4.192749 trillion...... $281.26 billion
FY1995..... 09/29/1995.... $4.973982 trillion...... $281.23 billion
FY1996..... 09/30/1996.... $5.224810 trillion...... $250.83 billion
FY1997..... 09/30/1997.... $5.413146 trillion...... $188.34 billion
FY1998..... 09/30/1998.... $5.526193 trillion...... $113.05 billion
FY1999..... 09/30/1999.... $5.656270 trillion...... $130.08 billion
FY2000..... 09/29/2000.... $5.674178 trillion...... $17.91 billion
FY2001..... 09/28/2001.... $5.877463 trillion...... $133.29 billion


so endeth the myth of the Clinton surplus

a spent projected surplus is not a surplus



and inflation:....not low

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depends on your definition of inflation

do you sheeplely follow what the government says of 1-2% per year over the last 6 years???

or do you go to the store and compare prices, and see how much things have gone up???



inflation has been near 10-15% for the last 6years

look at the prices in the stores

have you been to the store

prices are going up, and up

coffee is double what it was just 6 years ago in 2008...over 100% in that 6 years....or 20%per year average

coffee up

sugar up

cotton up

corn up

all other vegetables up

all meats up

almost everything us up



REAL INFALTION IS CURRENTLY ABOUT 10-15% or more...unfortunately the government(from either party) doesnt give us the REAL numbers



it certainly is for every working class person or old person

you think that your utility cost being up is not inflation???

you think your medical/pharm costs being up is not inflation???

you think your clothing costs being up is not inflation???

you think your housing (rent and realestate taxes) being up is not inflation???


you think food costs going up is not inflation???

you think building supply costs (ie home depot) being UP is not inflation???


almost EVERYTHING we use has gone up by at least 10% to in some cases 30% in the last 5 years...and you are going to tell me inflation is "only 2% or less"



have you been to the store???...have you SEEN THE PRICES???? milk is nearly $4 a gallon...meats have gone though the roof...in 2004 a 3lb can of coffee was about $3...today its a 2.2lb can of coffee and its $10...over a 300% increase in less than 10 years

sorry you are too blind to see

you certainly do prove that the sheeple are out there for the slaughter

so are you going to tell me YOU BELIEVE the government TELLING YOU that inflation is at 0-3% when PRICES in nearly everything have risen 10-20% or more????


the 'inflation rate' is not REAL INFLATION (ie COST inflation) that real americans (and seniors) feel with almost everything we buy

costs are going up on almost everything..especially food (which is NOT counted in the 'inflation rate')


Junk fish called Tauplia which was selling in 2008 for 1.28 a pound is now close to 6.00 a pound...Catfish that averaged between 3.49 and 3.99 at 6.00 plus.... Not just one store, they are all similar in price. Paper towels are highway robbery.....deli ham/turkey which I used to get for 2-3 a pound...now 6-9 a pound

couple of Thanksgiving ago ,,Sweet potatoes they were 49 cent/pound...now $1.79/pound

breyers icecream HALF GALLON, was (2008) 2for 5...now its 1.5 quarts and its 4/each(on sale)

Even cooking oil 48 fl oz... went from $2.99 (reg. p about 18 months ago) to $3.69 (sale)... and $4.79 (reg. price)....the 64oz is well over $7 now


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let me guess you will next say food doesn't count
 
Old 11-02-2014, 06:23 AM
 
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Obama hasn't lowered the deficit or inflation.

just as Clinton/newt never had a surplus

and inflation:....not low


Bill Clinton was in office from January 20, 1993 to January 20, 2001

12/31/1999 National Debt = $5,776,091,314,225.33

12/31/2000 National Debt = $5,662,216,013,697.37

For more than a year under Clinton Surplus the debt reduced $114 Billion dollars.

Source: US Treasury Debt to the Penny

In fact Clinton lowered the national debt over his last 14 months in office.

12/21/1999 National Debt = $5,728,801,689,365.32

01/19/2001 National Debt = $5,727,776,738,304.64 - The day Clinton left office.

Last edited by CaseyB; 11-02-2014 at 06:54 AM.. Reason: personal attack
 
Old 11-02-2014, 06:29 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by KrazeeKrewe View Post

Bill Clinton was in office from January 20, 1993 to January 20, 2001

12/31/1999 National Debt = $5,776,091,314,225.33

12/31/2000 National Debt = $5,662,216,013,697.37

For more than a year under Clinton Surplus the debt reduced $114 Billion dollars.

Source: US Treasury Debt to the Penny

In fact Clinton lowered the national debt over his last 14 months in office.

12/21/1999 National Debt = $5,728,801,689,365.32

01/19/2001 National Debt = $5,727,776,738,304.64 - The day Clinton left office.
uhm you do understand FY's

Fiscal
Year........ YearEnding.... ..National Debt........Annual actual budget Deficit

FY1994..... 09/30/1994.... $4.192749 trillion...... $281.26 billion
FY1995..... 09/29/1995.... $4.973982 trillion...... $281.23 billion
FY1996..... 09/30/1996.... $5.224810 trillion...... $250.83 billion
FY1997..... 09/30/1997.... $5.413146 trillion...... $188.34 billion
FY1998..... 09/30/1998.... $5.526193 trillion...... $113.05 billion
FY1999..... 09/30/1999.... $5.656270 trillion...... $130.08 billion
FY2000..... 09/29/2000.... $5.674178 trillion...... $17.91 billion
FY2001..... 09/28/2001.... $5.877463 trillion...... $133.29 billion

fact: Clinton /newt never had an actual surplus....the debt went up EVERY fiscal year

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/debt/current


if you have a PROJECTED surplus and you SPEND it and/or more....its a deficit


math/ accounting 101

Last edited by CaseyB; 11-02-2014 at 06:55 AM..
 
Old 11-02-2014, 06:41 AM
 
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butter was $2.29 2 years ago - just paid $4.29 for it. yep - no inflation.

people forget easily. if you sold a house years ago you had to pay capital gains on it - now you don't. gov't is paying massive subsidies to the food industry so that products on the shelves appear to be semi-affordable - and still they have shot up substantially.

the concept of mythical free money and no consequence can only last so long. govt. fudges numbers, changes formulas and downright lies to keep itself going.
 
Old 11-02-2014, 07:44 AM
 
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what jobs did Obazo and the dumbocrats create????.........NONE....unless you wish to count PART TIME JOBS

lower inflation....I think not

keeping us safe.....boston, ft hood, etc....yep real safe
Now that ain't true Obama created government healthcare and said it was good...
Then he created more jobs by expanding the enforcement of said law through the IRS and said it was good...
He created thousands of bureaucratic facilitators to oversee your healthcare needs and said it was good..
Then he rewarded those that supported him and gave lucrative government contracts for commercials web sites for your HC and said it was good...
He created Czars plus their staffs for already redundant government agencies and said it was good ...
See don't you feel better already?
 
Old 11-02-2014, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Limbo
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what jobs did Obazo and the dumbocrats create????.........NONE....unless you wish to count PART TIME JOBS

lower inflation....I think not

keeping us safe.....boston, ft hood, etc....yep real safe
Did you think of those childish names all by yourself?
 
Old 11-02-2014, 02:30 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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I'm a poor person and more than half my income is consumed by rent. No way can I buy. Therefore I continue to be soaked by exorbitant rent payments.
It's called "supply and demand" - you know the "FREE MARKET".
For a poster who took that very name, you don't seem to understand it at all.
If your rent is a high as you claim it is, then you can probably buy - maybe not your dream home or a in your dream area, but with interest rates as low as they are - unless your credit s*cks, you can probably find something to buy for LESS than you are paying rent.

Ken
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