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Old 11-07-2014, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Originally Posted by Arjay51 View Post
Did anyone truly believe the liar in chief would pass up an opportunity to flip flop and send more troops?

This is what he does, say one thing and do another assuming that no one will notice.

Why did he evacuate Iraq, when the military warned him this would happen? I swear this guy has no clue how to administrate, and seems to be flying by the seat of his pants. Does "over his head" even cover it?
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Old 11-07-2014, 01:18 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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Come again? How did you make that leap?
She was angry that Obama wanted to pull out of Iraq in the first place. She said she wanted to stay indefinitely. Remember John McCain & his "We'd stay 100 years if we had to." statement? Hillary has been to Arizona twice in the past 45 days to vacation/visit with McCain. She salls McCain "My favorite Republican" & says he really "get's it" on Foreign Policy. McCain in turn says Hillary is the best candidate in either party on Foreign Policy & National Defense.
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Old 11-07-2014, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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She was angry that Obama wanted to pull out of Iraq in the first place. She said she wanted to stay indefinitely. Remember John McCain & his "We'd stay 100 years if we had to." statement? Hillary has been to Arizona twice in the past 45 days to vacation/visit with McCain. She salls McCain "My favorite Republican" & says he really "get's it" on Foreign Policy. McCain in turn says Hillary is the best candidate in either party on Foreign Policy & National Defense.

Whoa... McCain better watch his back. You know what happens to Hillary' "favorites" like the Mubaraks. They tend to become disappeared, lynched, or imprisoned.
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Old 11-07-2014, 01:27 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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Why did he evacuate Iraq, when the military warned him this would happen? I swear this guy has no clue how to administrate, and seems to be flying by the seat of his pants. Does "over his head" even cover it?
The military was wrong every step of the way in Iraq, why would anyone listen to them? They have no game plan. This is just pissing money down the drain. We can not defeat an ideology. The ideology will not surrender. Even if we magically ended ISIL & their ideology, who would take over in Iraq? The Shia? The Al Sadr Militia is Shia. Iraq's neighbors to the East, Iran, are Shia. You going to leave them in charge? No, who then? The Kurds? That's a joke, the Kurd's can't organize a clusterf*ck much less run a country that they aren't even part of. Moderate Sunni's? No such thing. What's left? Station US troops there for eternity & dump our tax money into their country? No reason our Arab allies couldn't send their troops in, except that they're not really our allies & they agree with ISIL, not us. There is no lesser of two evils of the Unites States. Since that's the case, we're better off doing whatever costs us the least amount of money & men. That is of course, to bring the troops home & let this thing sort itself out.
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Old 11-07-2014, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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The military was wrong every step of the way in Iraq, why would anyone listen to them? They have no game plan. This is just pissing money down the drain. We can not defeat an ideology. The ideology will not surrender. Even if we magically ended ISIL & their ideology, who would take over in Iraq? The Shia? The Al Sadr Militia is Shia. Iraq's neighbors to the East, Iran, are Shia. You going to leave them in charge? No, who then? The Kurds? That's a joke, the Kurd's can't organize a clusterf*ck much less run a country that they aren't even part of. Moderate Sunni's? No such thing. What's left? Station US troops there for eternity & dump our tax money into their country? No reason our Arab allies couldn't send their troops in, except that they're not really our allies & they agree with ISIL, not us. There is no lesser of two evils of the Unites States. Since that's the case, we're better off doing whatever costs us the least amount of money & men. That is of course, to bring the troops home & let this thing sort itself out.

This is all anecdotal hindsight. The troops were there, period. IF Obama had simply left 15-30k troops in the first place the ISIS gig would have never materialized.

For all the idiocy of the military and politicians, THAT was the only logical thing to do. How much more will it be "pissing money down a drain" now?

I know that even a broken clock is right twice a day, but in this case it was obviously the better plan.
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Old 11-07-2014, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Seems like only yesterday he was promising deliver america from all these wars. What a fraud.

He may have actually delivered us into an even bigger war. This has Iranian and Syrian implications.
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Old 11-07-2014, 01:50 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Notice how he waited until the day after the elections. Why not the week before ?
More boots on the ground just like he promised.

U.S. Could Nearly Double Military Presence in Iraq: Sources - NBC News
When the GW Bush White House said 935 false statements about Iraq, and then attacked Iraq in the same of Sept 11 when Iraq had nothing to do with Sept 11, did republicans complain? (No.)
Study: Bush, aides made 935 false statements in run-up to war - CNN.com

When Bush killed 100,000+ innocent Iraqi people, killed 1,000's of US soldiers for nothing, wasted $900 billion dollars in Iraq, and then turned Iraq into a country ruled by ISIS terrorists, did republicans complain? (No.)

If its OK for Bush's White House to say 935 lies about Iraq, why are you attacking Obama so hard for 1 lie about Iraq?


And besides people must sometimes change their minds when things change. (Today) a terrorist organization called ISIS is threatening to control 100% of Iraq, including its infrastructure, oil, and money.

Should Obama keep his promise to get out of Iraq, and let ISIS fully take control of Iraq?

Or should Obama put more troops on the ground, and break the promise he made when ISIS was not a threat?

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Old 11-07-2014, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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I'm voting for the 3rd party the next election cycle. I am fully convinced that neither the Republicans nor Democrats will do what I want.

In fact, the opposite...

[and this is one them]
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Old 11-07-2014, 02:02 PM
 
Location: North America
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Notice how he waited until the day after the elections. Why not the week before ?
More boots on the ground just like he promised.

U.S. Could Nearly Double Military Presence in Iraq: Sources - NBC News

Viet Nam all over again.
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Old 11-07-2014, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Why did he evacuate Iraq, when the military warned him this would happen? I swear this guy has no clue how to administrate, and seems to be flying by the seat of his pants. Does "over his head" even cover it?

1. The American public wanted out. How long were we going to keep a bunch of troops there? 2 years, 5 years 100 years? We were there for 9 years, enough was enough.

2. The Iraqis wanted us out
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