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Tonight, the announcement of action. Repubs in a tizzy and talking fighting words ... I think it is a fight the Prez and Dems want to happen very much....
Obama needs to have a fight with the republicans. he wins those things. He needs the Repbulicans to be fighiting mad at him so he can play his victim card. We shall see if the republicans are smart enough to stay out of the bear trap and turn the tables on him.
Finn, you've made this comment a few times, and others have tried to help you with this. The orders entered by Reagan and Bush related to existing or soon to be existing laws, not prior EOs they entered. Congress had already passed or were about to pass amnesty bills and their EOs tied up some loose ends. Do a Google search for prior comprehensive immigration reform bills that were passed and you will see.
Congress in this case has not passed or is not even close to passing an amnesty bill. Your references comparing Reagan's and Bush's actions are not even remotely comparable. Do a Google search and you will see the difference. They did not create new law. Hope this helps.
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However, history proves that was NOT their response when Reagan and Bush did this exact same thing. They were ok with it then and they are ok with it now. Curiously Republicans were ok with it then, which begs the question why they are not ok with it now.
LOL. Reagan and Bush "furthered congressional purpose" So, as long as you say those words, then it's ok? No, it's the same thing then and now. Why didn't they have Congress do it? Why doesn't Obama? The truth is that it didn't pass Congress then and it's not passing now. They did it with an EO, and that's what Obama is doing now. Same diff.
700 words and you could only find 3 to disagree with? I guess that's admitting defeat.
interesting how you carefully avoided the fact that Reagan and bush's actions followed an act of congress.
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Condoning it then, and pretending to be outraged about it now shows nothing but partisan BS. It's the very thing that's keeping this country where is it today. Be consistent, stick to your principles, and don't be a hypocrite. That's my advice.
Tonight, the announcement of action. Repubs in a tizzy and talking fighting words ... I think it is a fight the Prez and Dems want to happen very much....
LOL....and a week ago he was talking about working with them....and now a unilateral decision to go it alone. No pretense, no "we tried to work something out".
Frankly, I think it's politically stupid to do it the way he is but whatever they chose to do, I know you would think it's a brilliant move. Then when it costs another 5+ senate seats you'll blame voter turnout or gerrymandering.
Unlawful entry into the United States is an offense that carries both civil and criminal penalties. See INA § 275(a); 8 U.S.C. § 1325(a). The President has the power to pardon both.
I thought before one can be pardoned they have to have been charged and proven guilty in court.
If they have NOT been charged with a crime and convicted of that crime, what are they being pardoned of?
I thought before one can be pardoned they have to have been charged and proven guilty in court.
If they have NOT been charged with a crime and convicted of that crime, what are they being pardoned of?
You don't remember Ford pardoning Nixon? He hadn't even been charged let alone convicted.
Clinton pardoned Marc Rich (Billionaire Tax evader) who was on the FBI most wanted list and he was indicted but not convicted. (Eric Holder was part of that debacle too.)
P.S. Gave an example from both parties as part of my "equal time for equal rats" initiative.
Only if they commit voter fraud. It's not citizenship.
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So, as long as you say those words, then it's ok? No, it's the same thing then and now. Why didn't they have Congress do it? Why doesn't Obama? The truth is that it didn't pass Congress then and it's not passing now. They did it with an EO, and that's what Obama is doing now. Same diff.
