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Old 12-02-2014, 06:32 AM
 
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....it is because they inherit the benefits of our complaints and our struggles. Black people have been like the person in the big meeting that ask the question that nobody else asks....but long to know the answer to. "when are we going to get raises"...sort of thing, because others don't want to make waves and be seen as complainers.

The truth is that all other minorities benefit in America from the struggles put forth by black people and this includes women and gays. Gays have often used the black struggle and the rights won to draw analogies to their struggle. Women have benefited from the struggles of blacks too because opening up the doors of freedom to Americas most despised and disrespected group, its slave population, eventually set the stage for freedom and universal suffrage for women and all.

Thus, other groups do not have to complain and do not complain because they can and do ride the coat tails of black people and our struggles. Right now, the rest of America is riding the struggle of black people against the police state....yet, the rest of America has set silent as police became militarized killing machines, then condemn us when we cry out because they don't cry out. We get seen as the whiners, those with the victim syndrome and the like, while others get seen as "model minorities" or non complainers....yet they benefit from our complaints and rebellion which has let to better lives and higher standard of living for them.

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Old 12-02-2014, 06:37 AM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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you can't compare gays with blacks.
People are born with their skin color.



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....it is because they inherit the benefits of our complaints and our struggles. Black people have been like the person in the big meeting that ask the question that nobody else asks....but long to know the answer to. "when are we going to get raises"...sort of thing.

The truth is that all other minorities benefit in America from the struggles put forth by black people and this includes women and gays. Gays have often used the black struggle and the rights won to draw analogies to their struggle. Women have benefited from the struggles of blacks too because opening up the doors of freedom to Americas most despised and disrespected group, its slave population, eventually set the stage for freedom and universal suffrage for women and all.

Thus, other groups do not have to complain and do not complain because they can and do ride the coat tails of black people and our struggles. Right now, the rest of America is riding the struggle of black people against the police state....yet, the rest of America has set silence, then condemn us when we cry out because they don't cry out. We get seen as the whiners, those with the victim syndrome and the like, while others get seen as "model minorities" or non complainers....yet the benefit from our complaints and rebellion.
 
Old 12-02-2014, 06:39 AM
 
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you can't compare gays with blacks.
People are born with their skin color.
That is not germane to the point.....the bottom line is that gays have often sighted the precedents set from the black struggle to make their claims.....rightly or wrongly (not my call).
 
Old 12-02-2014, 06:41 AM
 
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Do you think Latinos will put up with blacks'constant complaints after they establish themselves in the political system?
 
Old 12-02-2014, 06:44 AM
 
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Do you think Latinos will put up with blacks'constant complaints after they establish themselves in the political system?
Most Latin American countries are racist and have history of racism against black people. The Spaniards and their colonies (former) had racial hierarchies just like the English colonies. They will put up with them as long as they keep benefiting from them....which means as long as whites remain dominant.

Keep in mind also that many Hispanics see themselves as "white".
 
Old 12-02-2014, 06:46 AM
 
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Do you think Latinos will put up with blacks'constant complaints after they establish themselves in the political system?
Agreed and Hispanics have the rep of white supremacy against even dark skinned Latinos, let alone regular decent Black people, not just the hood rats.
 
Old 12-02-2014, 06:56 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Default Excellent perspective and spot on

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....it is because they inherit the benefits of our complaints and our struggles. Black people have been like the person in the big meeting that ask the question that nobody else asks....but long to know the answer to. "when are we going to get raises"...sort of thing, because others don't want to make waves and be seen as complainers.

The truth is that all other minorities benefit in America from the struggles put forth by black people and this includes women and gays. Gays have often used the black struggle and the rights won to draw analogies to their struggle. Women have benefited from the struggles of blacks too because opening up the doors of freedom to Americas most despised and disrespected group, its slave population, eventually set the stage for freedom and universal suffrage for women and all.

Thus, other groups do not have to complain and do not complain because they can and do ride the coat tails of black people and our struggles. Right now, the rest of America is riding the struggle of black people against the police state....yet, the rest of America has set silent as police became militarized killing machines, then condemn us when we cry out because they don't cry out. We get seen as the whiners, those with the victim syndrome and the like, while others get seen as "model minorities" or non complainers....yet the benefit from our complaints and rebellion.
This is absolutely true. Best post of the day.

The truth you speak of here goes way over the head of the typical clueless Conservative however. Excellent points.
 
Old 12-02-2014, 06:58 AM
 
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....it is because they inherit the benefits of our complaints and our struggles. Black people have been like the person in the big meeting that ask the question that nobody else asks....but long to know the answer to. "when are we going to get raises"...sort of thing, because others don't want to make waves and be seen as complainers.

The truth is that all other minorities benefit in America from the struggles put forth by black people and this includes women and gays. Gays have often used the black struggle and the rights won to draw analogies to their struggle. Women have benefited from the struggles of blacks too because opening up the doors of freedom to Americas most despised and disrespected group, its slave population, eventually set the stage for freedom and universal suffrage for women and all.

Thus, other groups do not have to complain and do not complain because they can and do ride the coat tails of black people and our struggles. Right now, the rest of America is riding the struggle of black people against the police state....yet, the rest of America has set silent as police became militarized killing machines, then condemn us when we cry out because they don't cry out. We get seen as the whiners, those with the victim syndrome and the like, while others get seen as "model minorities" or non complainers....yet the benefit from our complaints and rebellion.
I hate to say this, but I have heard Hispanics, Asians, Indians, and Gays complain about Blacks more times than I can count.

For the record, I do not always agree.
 
Old 12-02-2014, 07:07 AM
 
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I hate to say this, but I have heard Hispanics, Asians, Indians, and Gays complain about Blacks more times than I can count.

For the record, I do not always agree.
That is because they take for granted what blacks have done for them indirectly....our struggles have actually made America a place where minorities WANT to immigrate to, because they enjoy protections and freedoms from discrimination born from our struggles. Do they appreciate it? Probably not....but it does not change the fact that they benefit from it. Also, many seek to win favor and promotion with white society by adopting whites view of black people.
 
Old 12-02-2014, 07:15 AM
 
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I agree with op to a certain degree. I DO believe black people have fought for all minority right.

After the world war. When Black, Hispanic, and Native American soldiers returned they found a country that still did not grant them full rights, but a movement for the expansion of civil rights had been born.

The Voting Rights Act, signed into law by President Lyndon Johnson (1908-73) on August 6, 1965, aimed to overcome legal barriers at the state and local levels that prevented African Americans from exercising their right to vote under the 15th Amendment (1870) to the Constitution of the United States. The act significantly widened the franchise and is considered among the most far-reaching pieces of civil rights legislation in U.S. history.

Voting Rights Act - Black History - HISTORY.com

This equal voting right benefits all minority groups.

I think op is spot on. Let's give credit where credit is due.
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