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View Poll Results: Proposed Law Will Force Retailers To Pay Emplyees Triple On Thanksgiving
I Support This 30 43.48%
I Do Not Support This 39 56.52%
Voters: 69. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-03-2014, 10:05 AM
 
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I support no wage floors or wage ceilings. If a worker wants to work on thanksgiving then the dollars he makes is between him and the employer, not the government.

Let the employee make the decision between earning money and spending time with families.



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The holidays are supposed to be about spending time with friends, family and eating good food. However, with the commercialization of the holidays, many retailers opt for profits over people, and the real intent and significance of the holiday is lost.
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Old 12-03-2014, 10:06 AM
 
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An interesting observation when traveling abroad has been that in most other countries a national holiday is taken very seriously. Nothing is open except essential services and food shops mostly close very early.

Why bother with a national holiday in the US if the only people that get to observe it are white collar workers?
God have you ever shopped abroad? Stores required to close at specific times. Can't be open certain days a week. Made it damn hard to get anything done. I do not envy them one bit
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Old 12-03-2014, 10:06 AM
 
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I do not support Leviathan interfering in the voluntary employee-employer agreement in any way that removes voluntaryism from either party.
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Old 12-03-2014, 10:17 AM
 
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When it comes to businesses, I'm mostly Conservative in every aspect. I support as little regulation of private business as possible. However, when it comes to this, I have no problem crossing the isle and siding with the Liberals. An Ohio Democrat is proposing a law that would force some retailers to pay their employees triple time if they keep their doors open on thanksgiving....

The holidays are supposed to be about spending time with friends, family and eating good food. However, with the commercialization of the holidays, many retailers opt for profits over people, and the real intent and significance of the holiday is lost.

Every Thanksgiving ( and even Christmas ) I drive to relatives houses, and along the way I feel bad for all the employees in the open stores I pass by, who are forced to work and take time away from their families, lest they lose their jobs. Maybe if some owners have to pay their employees for three days work, they'll find it more profitable to just give everyone the day off. I do think there should be exemptions from this law though, such as healthcare workers, nursing home employees, police, and other essential personnel. How do I reconcile this with my other Conservative, pro-capitalism principles? Well..... I don't, oh well.

What do you all think?

Ohio Lawmakers Wants Retailers To Pay Triple Time For Working Thanksgiving | 1370 WSPD
There is nothing conservative about supporting the use of government coercion to force other people to do things against their will, just because you think "wouldn't it be nice if people did X."

I think it would be nice if customers helped support the people who work on holidays. So let's make a law that forces all prices to go up 30% on Thanksgiving and Christmas Day too.
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Old 12-03-2014, 11:11 AM
 
Location: North Texas
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Personally I think it's disgusting that stores are pushing Black Friday into Thanksgiving. I register my disgust by not shopping on Thanksgiving.
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Old 12-03-2014, 02:47 PM
 
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Personally I think it's disgusting that stores are pushing Black Friday into Thanksgiving. I register my disgust by not shopping on Thanksgiving.
I knew it was gonna happen. Pretty soon Black Friday is gonna start Thursday morning.
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Old 12-03-2014, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I knew it was gonna happen. Pretty soon Black Friday is gonna start Thursday morning.
Black Friday this year basically began November 1st.
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Old 12-03-2014, 11:55 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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One of my customers, a beautiful girl from down the street, had hosted a dinner at her place, and brought me in a Thanksgiving dinner w/ all the trimmings. That is still one of my fondest thanksgiving memories ever. I wouldn't have it if I hadn't been working that day.
The only reason she did that for you is because you were required to come in and work, or probably lose your job. I'm sure she would have much rather you be able to be home and spend the holiday with your family.
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Old 12-03-2014, 11:56 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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I support no wage floors or wage ceilings. If a worker wants to work on thanksgiving then the dollars he makes is between him and the employer, not the government.

Let the employee make the decision between earning money and spending time with families.
What business allows it's employees to make that decision without the risk of losing their job?
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Old 12-04-2014, 12:06 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Like I said in the OP, I'm against most unnecessary regulations on private businesses, but can the uber conservatives posting on this page admit that at least some regulation is necessary? Nothing is absolute. In general, I don't support the gov't interfering in the affairs of private businesses, but that isn't absolute either. Do you support government regulations that hold employers to certain safety standards in order to provide a safe work place? You can take this anti-gov't stance to extremes. If we can't admit that some regulation is both appropriate and necessary, we end up back in the days of Carnegie, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, and J.P. Morgan, who, while great entrepreneurs, built their empires on the backs of employees forced to work in often grueling and brutal work conditions.
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