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Old 12-16-2014, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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I'm sure the definition can be found in the law we're discussing.
If it's anything like most gun laws I'm familiar with it's either very vague or not defined at all so it can be whatever they want it to be whenever they want it to be that way.....
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Old 12-17-2014, 01:36 AM
 
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I'm for reasonable people being allowed to own reasonable guns.

We're not doing a good job of keeping nuts from getting semi automatic weapons of mass destruction.
semi automatic weapons of mass destruction? that doesnt even make sense, which is why hoplophobes will never get "reasonable" gun laws passed, because they have no idea of what they are talking about. get an education about firearms, and then we can talk.
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Old 12-17-2014, 01:45 AM
 
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If it's anything like most gun laws I'm familiar with it's either very vague or not defined at all so it can be whatever they want it to be whenever they want it to be that way.....
I've never read the laws, but I would hope something as unique as mental illness would be handled on an individual basis. It's certainly not as clear-cut as being an ex-felon.
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Old 12-17-2014, 01:49 AM
 
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I've never read the laws, but I would hope something as unique as mental illness would be handled on an individual basis. It's certainly not as clear-cut as being an ex-felon.
and that is the problem. suppose someone is going through a bad patch in their life, and they talk to a therapist about it. does the therapist send a report to the feds saying that this person is under a doctors care? and does that then disqualify that person from owning a firearm? and what recourse does that person have to get their gun rights back?
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Old 12-17-2014, 02:09 AM
 
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and that is the problem. suppose someone is going through a bad patch in their life, and they talk to a therapist about it. does the therapist send a report to the feds saying that this person is under a doctors care? and does that then disqualify that person from owning a firearm? and what recourse does that person have to get their gun rights back?
I see your point. I'd have to read the law.
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Old 12-17-2014, 02:36 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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I've never read the laws, but I would hope something as unique as mental illness would be handled on an individual basis. It's certainly not as clear-cut as being an ex-felon.

Therein lies the rub. The real problem is that mental health care in general is broken. The focus on "assault weapons" is misguided, If a mentally ill adult sets out to slaughter a bunch of 5-yr-olds, he is going to be able to do it whether he has an AR-15, a revolver, a pump shotgun, a kitchen knife, or a baseball bat.

But we never hear about proposals for reformation of mental health care. Instead we get one after another tweak to gun laws from people who have no idea what they're talking about

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ospNRk2uM3U

This is not the way to solve problems.
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Old 12-17-2014, 02:43 AM
 
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I see your point. I'd have to read the law.
the other part then becomes, about the doctor and their opinion of the persons mental state. suppose the doctor is staunchly antigun, and sees an opportunity to prevent people "under their care" from owning a firearm. what recourse is there to prevent such a doctor from abusing their position? its just like a person that is falsely arrested and perp walked in front of the media, and then late found to be innocent. where does that person go to get their reputation back?
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Old 12-17-2014, 05:00 AM
 
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The world is frightening and confusing sometimes. It's okay if you don't understand it.
When you don't have an answer, see post above on how to exit a thread...^^^^^^^^^

But, it's really O.K. you cannot answer, we know that...go back into your mommies basement and continue playing games...
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Old 12-17-2014, 05:01 AM
 
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try a little search on the word hoplophobe;

https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?...&hsimp=yhs-001

HAhahhahahaaaaaaaa exactly....
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Old 12-17-2014, 05:12 AM
 
Location: Humboldt County, CA
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HAhahhahahaaaaaaaa exactly....
Yes, I know what hoplophobe means.

I know how to shoot, too.

I know around a dozen gun owners, ranging from my friend who's in law enforcement to my more-liberal-than-me friend who has a closet full to my aunt and uncle who run a business making custom gun cabinets. As far as I know, none of them feel a pressing need to be super secretive or lie about their gun ownership.

And absolutely none of that changes the amount of bias that's almost inherent in straw polls or that straw polls differ from scientific ones. Again, I'm sorry that distinction is so hard for you to grasp.
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