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Let me add to your excellent post that Mircea seems to have some difficulty distinguishing between 'social service' expenditure and 'health service' expenditure.
He posts these walls of text hoping that everyone will be too intimidated to check his facts. I have and the vast majority are false or misleading.
He posts these walls of text hoping that everyone will be too intimidated to check his facts. I have and the vast majority are false or misleading.
The fact that he/she believes the free market and health care can be compatible make me wary of any of his so called facts he/she posts about healthcare.
The fact that he/she believes the free market and health care can be compatible make me wary of any of his so called facts he/she posts about healthcare.
When you take insurance out of the mix then it does become affordable for doctor visits at least.
How much does your physical cost ? Really cost though..not your "copay".
I have a high deductible plan so I shop around.
Just like I have a dentist that does not take insurance. The costs are nowhere near what insurance dentists charge.
When a cost become subsidized and hidden from the consumer and the consumer does not have to pay it then the consumer doesn't see the steep increases that happen.
And that is exactly what has happened with health CARE once health INSURANCE got into the game of covering everything under the sun. Used to be you got insurance to cover hospital stays..everything else was you pay.
Son broke his arm. Got the X-ray and cast. Nothing abnormal..your typical break.
Doctor wanted to do an MRI scan and wanted weekly visits to "check the cast". I declined and said we'd be back in 6 weeks to get it off.
65 patients per million population UK
98 patients per million population in Canada
212 patients per million population in the US
Source: Delay, Denial and Dilution: The Impact of NHS Rationing on Heart Disease and Cancer
IEA Health and Welfare Unit (London), David G. Green and Laura Casper.
The NHS in Britain is so great, they can't even afford to purchase, staff and maintain kidney dialysis equipment.
Actually they can. The UK is monetarily sovereign. It can fund health care in its entirety for all of its citizens.
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Your claim is refuted.
Lung cancer treatment waiting times and tumour growth.
Therefore, 21% of potentially curable patients became incurable on the waiting list. This study demonstrates that, even for the select minority of patients who have specialist referral and are deemed suitable for potentially curative treatment, the outcome is prejudiced by waiting times that allow tumour progression.
Let me add to your excellent post that Mircea seems to have some difficulty distinguishing between 'social service' expenditure and 'health service' expenditure.
The fact that he/she believes the free market and health care can be compatible make me wary of any of his so called facts he/she posts about healthcare.
The belief that command economy policies work invalidates every argument you make.
Let me add to your excellent post that Mircea seems to have some difficulty distinguishing between 'social service' expenditure and 'health service' expenditure.
Care to bet He/she is receiving some form of downstream compensation from the insurance industry?
All of this bashing to and fro with comparisons of respective systems from other countries begs the one major question: which country is it at the present that is grappling in the throes of restructuring it's provision of payment for healthcare. Why is that?
With all of their respective warts acknowledged; other countries are not currently dealing with a wholesale change in payment method and the generally accepted admission the costs of care show no rational basis. It rather seems to be premised solely upon: "how much can we bill an insurance plan to stimulate the negotiating process and arrive at a payment that people paying without insurance would not be able to afford in any case".
A general realization seems to be that the wheels have fallen off the ox cart in the U.S. and something needs to be done. What else could possibly be at the root of all this present debate and angst.
'Right vs left' silliness when you are discussing something as essential to the "pursuit of happiness" as basic healthcare at an affordable and fair payment system for ALL your citizens is just a colossal wasting of your time. Nowhere in your constitution is there a codicil worded "you have the right to...........providing you can pay for it."
You folks could achieve so much more if you'd just put the petty partisan politics behind you sometimes.
Care to bet He/she is receiving some form of downstream compensation from the insurance industry?
Absolutely. I'd bet a year's income on what he says being true, and the same on what any liberal says being false. In short order, I could buy the country.
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All of this bashing to and fro with comparisons of respective systems from other countries begs the one major question: which country is it at the present that is grappling in the throes of restructuring it's provision of payment for healthcare. Why is that?
Every country with government funded health care.
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With all of their respective warts acknowledged; other countries are not currently dealing with a wholesale change in payment method and the generally accepted admission the costs of care show no rational basis. It rather seems to be premised solely upon: "how much can we bill an insurance plan to stimulate the negotiating process and arrive at a payment that people paying without insurance would not be able to afford in any case".
That, too, is the fault of government.
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A general realization seems to be that the wheels have fallen off the ox cart in the U.S. and something needs to be done. What else could possibly be at the root of all this present debate and angst.
Absolutely, get the fault removed - the influence of government.
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'Right vs left' silliness when you are discussing something as essential to the "pursuit of happiness" as basic healthcare at an affordable and fair payment system for ALL your citizens is just a colossal wasting of your time. Nowhere in your constitution is there a codicil worded "you have the right to...........providing you can pay for it."
What makes you think I have a right to make someone ELSE pay for what I want?
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You folks could achieve so much more if you'd just put the petty partisan politics behind you sometimes.
Well, if you'd stop thinking using an irrational political dogma as your basis for reasoning, you'd get farther.
A few complete sentences works. Your empty slogans do not.
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