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Wrong. I have legal rights to enforcement of contract in terms of an insurer. It's a legally binding document and I can compel them to do as they contracted.
The ONLY thing you ever get from government is a politicians promises. You know, like "you can keep your insurance" and "you can keep your doctor".
Or, "I don't have the power to grant amnesty".
When was the last time you saw a politician lose in court and pay up because what they promised didn't happen?
Looks like the Governor is throwing in the towel instead of crippling his state with taxes that would be higher than Barack Obama during his "Choom Gang" days.
"The legislation called for the administration to produce a plan for financing the Green Mountain Care system by 2013 but it wasn't completed until the last several days. Shumlin said it showed the plan would require an 11.5 percent payroll tax on businesses and an income tax separate from the one the state already has of up to 9.5 percent."
Two taxes.
21% total.
Twenty-one percent.
Be careful what you ask for, Single-Payer Sycophants.
I've been following this. Their analysts recommended the high tax and projections have increased each year.
And this was planned for 2017...3 more years down the road and you just know it will increase even more.
Their only way was higher taxes yet the Governor and state legislature hesitated to actually put those new taxes forward as a bill..telling people they would look for other ways.
There is no other way. Single payer means everyone pays. Somehow they thought they could find someone else to pay.
Be careful what you ask for, Single-Payer Sycophants.
It would be higher than that in other States.
In the more populous States with greater demographic diversity, it would be 30+%, pushing 35%.
And still, there would be rationing, and waiting lists for months and years, and enough revenue would never be collected, so that it end up getting stripped down to nothing.
There's a reason why things are the way they are.
Unless and until people come to learn and understand how their system of medical care and health plan coverage evolved over the last 80 years there is no possible way to establish any viable solution.
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Yeah I hate to tell you but the quality of life in the UK is about as high as the US.
You can get around easily here, transit is clean, people are nice and the NHS covers everyone and you have the option of additional private insurance if you desire.
If I can stay here I will.
Then do it.
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When I was in the US last, I had a deductible through my job of $3000.
The NHS is working out for me faaaaaaaaar better.
Source: CONCORD Study funded by the US Centers for Disease Control and the British National Health System.
When you get a real serious illness, you'll be on the first plane out of Heathrow or Gatwick begging someone in the US save you.
65 patients per million population UK
98 patients per million population in Canada
212 patients per million population in the US
Source: Delay, Denial and Dilution: The Impact of NHS Rationing on Heart Disease and Cancer
IEA Health and Welfare Unit (London), David G. Green and Laura Casper.
The NHS in Britain is so great, they can't even afford to purchase, staff and maintain kidney dialysis equipment.
Lung cancer treatment waiting times and tumour growth.
Therefore, 21% of potentially curable patients became incurable on the waiting list. This study demonstrates that, even for the select minority of patients who have specialist referral and are deemed suitable for potentially curative treatment, the outcome is prejudiced by waiting times that allow tumour progression.
That will be you.....on a waiting list..... dying.
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Do you live in society? Do you not recognize a social good?
I recognize that Capital is both fixed and finite, and that it is limited.
I also recognize that the 3rd and 4th World States that the US and sock-puppet Britain refused to develop, are not being developed by BRICS.
I recognize, too, that as those emerging- and developing-States advance from ZERO Level Economies up through the 1st, 2nd and 3rd Level Economies through the end of this Century, that Capital will become even more scarce and limited.
Since Wages/Salaries in the US and UK could never possibly keep pace with the increasing Demand-pull Inflation, things will get very tight.
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Or do you realize that what is eating most of our tax money is defense spending where we spend more money than our closest competitor? Or that we spend more than most nations on the planet combined?
Do you realize the US (and sock-puppet Britain) is dependent upon the Petro-Dollar?
Anytime you have the desire to be just like Greece or Russia or Ukraine, or Belarus or any other 2nd World State, just close the bases and bring the troops home.
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Its not dramatically different, the quality of life I would argue is better.
I lived and worked in the UK. Down in Queens Park outside London. I used to own a flat on Brondesbury Villas off of Kilburn High Road. I sold it six or seven years ago.
I liked it. Life is good there, but not for the reasons you think it is.
I've been following this. Their analysts recommended the high tax and projections have increased each year.
And this was planned for 2017...3 more years down the road and you just know it will increase even more.
Their only way was higher taxes yet the Governor and state legislature hesitated to actually put those new taxes forward as a bill..telling people they would look for other ways.
There is no other way. Single payer means everyone pays. Somehow they thought they could find someone else to pay.
Yes, indeed.
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Do you use your insurance? You are stealing from others!
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Explain how using single payer is stealing but using insurance isn't.
Just as soon as you learn and understand what insurance is, I'll be happy explain it.
You can start your journey to become informed and educated with the Supreme Court's definition of insurance:
Insurance is a contract whereby for a stipulated consideration, one party undertakes to compensate the other for loss on a specific subject by specified perils.
Mull that over for a while. See if you can grasp the concepts.
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Either way others are paying your bills. One just cuts out the middleman.
Um, the "middleman" does not price-gouge Americans $55,000 for a $2,800 appendectomy. Hospitals do that.
The "middleman" does not price-gouge Americans $117,000 for assistant surgeon fees that really only cost $2,600, but hospitals do that.
The "middleman" does not price-gouge Americans $1 Million for a premature birth that probably only costs $265,000.......but hospitals do.
If you intend to cut out the "middleman" make sure you get the right one....and no, it isn't the "insurance companies."
Analyzing...
I've been following this. Their analysts recommended the high tax and projections have increased each year.
And this was planned for 2017...3 more years down the road and you just know it will increase even more.
Their only way was higher taxes yet the Governor and state legislature hesitated to actually put those new taxes forward as a bill..telling people they would look for other ways.
There is no other way. Single payer means everyone pays. Somehow they thought they could find someone else to pay.
This is the kind of healthcare I want in this country, we all should be paying for it and it should be available to everyone without the need to sign up for it.
Yeah I hate to tell you but the quality of life in the UK is about as high as the US.
You can get around easily here, transit is clean, people are nice and the NHS covers everyone and you have the option of additional private insurance if you desire.
If I can stay here I will.
The UK's quality of life in terms of PPP ranks around South Carolina if we're talking just money. Now, so many people attribute public health care to a high quality of life that the UK is often seen as some super enlightened and wonderful place. The fact of the matter is that your average UK citizen is as well off economically as the average citizen of South Carolina....plus they have free basic health care. So that could be the difference.
This is as much about the massive rebuke of Shumlin at the polls as the numbers themselves. Shulin very narrowly "beat" his moderate, republican challenger this year for Governor, in fact, it's not even totally settled yet. The unprecedented support for Scott Milne was a flat out rejection of Shumlin's rather tone-deaf plans and failures over the last few years here in the state.
Continuing to push single-payer, in light of that, was almost impossible.
The tax situation in VT is so bad people are literally being taxed out of their homes and many town and school budgets are being rejected when voted on. Single payer would have bankrupted the state.
The tax situation in VT is so bad people are literally being taxed out of their homes and many town and school budgets are being rejected when voted on. Single payer would have bankrupted the state.
Yup, many Vermonters I've talked to actually agree it's a the right plan for sometime in the future, but the economy in Vermont simply won't support it right now.
Shumlin already has a rep as being "anti-business" and a large number of Vermonters are already working multiple, low-paying jobs to make ends meet. To add the kind of extra tax burden these numbers indicate would cripple the economy here for a long time before the benefits were realized.
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