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Old 02-25-2015, 10:14 AM
 
Location: The analog world
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And when is our state going to address the looming TABOR-based tax issue? Or has everybody forgotten about that disaster?
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Old 02-25-2015, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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Next prostitution ,cocaine, then child trafficking. Government has no moral uprightness. Anything for a buck.
Riiiiiiiiiiight...
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Old 02-25-2015, 10:20 AM
 
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And where does that money go?

"Gov. John Hickenlooper announced his proposed spending plan Wednesday, 50 days after the first bud of non-medical marijuana was sold on Jan. 1. The plan calls for more than $100 million to be spent over the next year and a half on youth marijuana use prevention, substance abuse treatment, public health, regulatory oversight and law enforcement.
$4.5 million would be allocated during this fiscal year and $99 million would be allocated next year, under the governor's plan."
Many states that have lotteries also fund compulsive gambler programs with part of the proceeds. All states fund anti-drunk-driving programs. So your point is...???
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Old 02-25-2015, 10:22 AM
 
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And when is our state going to address the looming TABOR-based tax issue? Or has everybody forgotten about that disaster?
Now that's going to be an interesting discussion! I'd forgotten that this could have TABOR implications. Will be interesting to see how this discussion plays out in oregon, which also has something similar.
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Old 02-25-2015, 10:28 AM
 
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Now that's going to be an interesting discussion! I'd forgotten that this could have TABOR implications. Will be interesting to see how this discussion plays out in oregon, which also has something similar.
I'm waiting with my popcorn.
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Old 02-25-2015, 10:35 AM
 
Location: NJ
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cigarette smoke is bad for your health, mj smoke is good. Really?

burning plant material coursing thru your lungs and the radiation given off will make you a healthier person.

stupid is as stupid does......

From the EPA

"Tobacco Smoke
While cigarette smoke is not an obvious source of radiation exposure, it contains small amounts of radioactive materials which smokers bring into their lungs as they inhale. The radioactive particles lodge in lung tissue and over time contribute a huge radiation dose. Radioactivity may be one of the key factors in lung cancer among smokers."

The 'profits' from marijuana sales in CO will be spent on warnings and educational materials and the aftermath following in the wake of legalization. zero gain. Not to say users should be locked up, but far more cash could be collected by fines.

NJ proponents argue legalization will not show an increase in users. Look at CO to that is a false narrative. The new users will be kids coming of age. there are enough studies out there to make mj use a health concern. If you want to abuse your body and diminish your QOL and give up your passions due to failing health, warning labels will not help.
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Old 02-25-2015, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Georgia, on the Florida line, right above Tallahassee
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Wait 'til we start exporting it like soybeans.
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Old 02-25-2015, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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cigarette smoke is bad for your health, mj smoke is good. Really?

burning plant material coursing thru your lungs and the radiation given off will make you a healthier person.

stupid is as stupid does......

From the EPA

"Tobacco Smoke
While cigarette smoke is not an obvious source of radiation exposure, it contains small amounts of radioactive materials which smokers bring into their lungs as they inhale. The radioactive particles lodge in lung tissue and over time contribute a huge radiation dose. Radioactivity may be one of the key factors in lung cancer among smokers."

The 'profits' from marijuana sales in CO will be spent on warnings and educational materials and the aftermath following in the wake of legalization. zero gain. Not to say users should be locked up, but far more cash could be collected by fines.

NJ proponents argue legalization will not show an increase in users. Look at CO to that is a false narrative. The new users will be kids coming of age. there are enough studies out there to make mj use a health concern. If you want to abuse your body and diminish your QOL and give up your passions due to failing health, warning labels will not help.
"The new users will be the kids coming of age."

Only if parents don't parent.

I've got 2 sons age 13 and almost 16, their father smokes because he has severe chronic pain from injuries sustained in the military. My sons have no interest in using the stuff. If anything, watching their sober Mom and their Dad who used to drink but now smokes instead, they have learned which one of us is more functional, the real factual effects. And we have brought them up to think critically, not just say "somebody else was doing it so it was ok." They see it as medicine...and are aware that there are some side effects.

Of course some people are dumb enough to think that whatever the government says is what is or isn't OK and can't make their own choices for better or worse...but all I can do is raise kids who are smarter than that. Smart enough to live in a free country, or at least one that's supposed to be.

I'm a little confused about the tax stuff though. I heard initially that the first 20mil in state taxes was earmarked for the public schools capital construction fund...then I hear that due to TABOR they might have to give a bunch of it back, like $7 for every resident of the state or something? I wish they wouldn't. A small amount to everyone here is a large amount to put into the schools. Or the roads. These potholes are killing me over here...about big enough to lose a minivan in.
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Old 02-25-2015, 11:11 AM
 
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Agreed, the state legislature put a 25% tax on it, and wonder why the black market is going so strong and their projections are higher than actual amount they have collected. The got greedy and it is hurting their revenue.
It's not the black market preventing tax revenue from being higher. The medical marijuana market is preventing it. Medical marijuana is taxed much lower than retail marijuana, so the "medical" customers never switched over - and any stoner who can get a medical card does.
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Old 02-25-2015, 11:13 AM
 
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Colorado To Have Its Pot and Its Tax Revenue Too?

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In 1992, Colorado enacted a Taxpayer Bill of Rights (TABOR), which provides that if state and local tax revenue grows at a rate that exceeds the combined growth of the inflation rate and the population, the excess must be refunded back to the taxpayers. Through a quirk in the TABOR, because the state’s official voter guide for Proposition AA — the bill that blessed legalized marijuana — underestimated the total overall tax collections that would be made by Colorado in 2014, the bill of rights requires the new tax to be refunded, a requirement only imposed in the first full fiscal year of a new tax.

As a result, Colorado is now faced with refunding approximately $30.5 million in pot taxes to its residents according to the governor’s budget writers, or nearly $8 per adult.
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