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There are hundreds if not thousands of people buying guns in NYC and not getting a back ground check. These kinds of laws stop no one from getting a gun if they really want one.
I love those post that anti gun try to bring 2 obscure points together. Bad guys will do what they want despite have a Fed. Agent in every gun shop just to make sure.
Here is thought.
What if a CWP Holder wasable to save those same officers?
It was purchased from the pawn shop and the purchaser passed a background check, after that the buyer gave it to a cousin and it does not appear that a background check was done, no records after that because background checks are not required. Who lied on the 4473?
The dude gave it to his cousin....soooooooooooo let look at....
Question 11a.
Are you the actual transferee/buyer of the firearm(s) listed on this form? Warning: You are not the actual buyer if you areacquiring the firearm(s) on behalf of another person. If you are not the actual buyer, the dealer cannot transfer the firearm(s)to you.
Why is this question so hard for you to understand?
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Originally Posted by Goodnight
On another thread you indicated you wanted to know how he got the gun, if that is true GA is the best place not to find out. If all goes as usual we will never know who gave the gun to Brimsely, would have been nice to have background checks to find out who was the last person to legally own the gun.
Go find who bought the gun at the pawn shop....that's how they found out it was bought from the pawn shop....
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Originally Posted by Goodnight
Simple question, why do you think this pawn shop is number 5 nationally for guns used in a crime
No clue? Why do they still have there FFL? If they are so bad, why does the government not remove their FFL license?
Could it be that people are lying on their 4473?
Why did you seem to miss my response about ole joe biden?
If each transfer required a background check we would know the name of the last legal seller and he would be the last person in the chain, did he sell the gun, did he "lose" the gun and forget to report. The issue isn't the buyer it's the seller relative to illegal guns.
They do, and they don't. See how easy that was. It is required and people ignore it. How do you propose to fix that? DOJ already said it's a waste of time. Your solution, more laws. To ignore.
Some solution. You can't lock someone up who had a gun stolen and didn't know it.
It was purchased from the pawn shop and the purchaser passed a background check, after that the buyer gave it to a cousin and it does not appear that a background check was done, no records after that because background checks are not required. Who lied on the 4473?
On another thread you indicated you wanted to know how he got the gun, if that is true GA is the best place not to find out. If all goes as usual we will never know who gave the gun to Brimsely, would have been nice to have background checks to find out who was the last person to legally own the gun.
Simple question, why do you think this pawn shop is number 5 nationally for guns used in a crime
The pawn shop broke no laws.
Why do liberals demonize a legal product?
Go after the dirt bags that used it in an illegal manner.
By the way, background checks for private sales will never happen.
The dude gave it to his cousin....soooooooooooo let look at....
Question 11a.
Are you the actual transferee/buyer of the firearm(s) listed on this form? Warning: You are not the actual buyer if you areacquiring the firearm(s) on behalf of another person. If you are not the actual buyer, the dealer cannot transfer the firearm(s)to you.
Why is this question so hard for you to understand?
Go find who bought the gun at the pawn shop....that's how they found out it was bought from the pawn shop....
No clue? Why do they still have there FFL? If they are so bad, why does the government not remove their FFL license?
Could it be that people are lying on their 4473?
Why did you seem to miss my response about ole joe biden?
Soooooo you are immediately assuming he gave it to his cousin shortly after he bought it at the pawn shop and therefore lied on his 4473, how much later did he give it to the cousin????
I never stated that the FFL did anything illegal in this particular case, just that they are a very popular dealership for criminals. You still haven't answered the question, why are they so popular???
I actually get what goodnight is trying to say. At one point the last legal buyer bought the gun which requires a check and paperwork. At some point in the timeline the gun went into another person's hands from the last legal documented owner and lost history after that.
If the last legal owner sold it without documentation and the weapon was used in a crime the last legal documented owner could be held for charges if goodnight had his way. Unless the weapon was stolen from the last legal owner which then the last legal owner would be clear of wrong doing.
What I think goodnight is trying to portray, is that if there were stricter laws for private sales if a person knows it could come back to haunt them they would be more careful who they sell it to with legal proof who they sold it to.
Still that is not to say a criminal won't be able to get a gun somehow some way.
Soooooo you are immediately assuming he gave it to his cousin shortly after he bought it at the pawn shop and therefore lied on his 4473, how much later did he give it to the cousin????
Does it matter? It was across states lines....
Simple question....no matter if a 4473 is involved or not....
It's a federal law....
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Originally Posted by Goodnight
I never stated that the FFL did anything illegal in this particular case, just that they are a very popular dealership for criminals. You still haven't answered the question, why are they so popular???
Who knows? They fill out the proper form and call the proper number to ensure the 4473 is filled out correctly...right?
So, if they are so bad and that is a "very popular dealership for criminals" in your own words.....why have the feds not shut them down?
Maybe it's because your mentor joe biden has stated they don't have time? Have you EVER thought about that?
I actually get what goodnight is trying to say. At one point the last legal buyer bought the gun which requires a check and paperwork. At some point in the timeline the gun went into another person's hands from the last legal documented owner and lost history after that.
If the last legal owner sold it without documentation and the weapon was used in a crime the last legal documented owner could be held for charges if goodnight had his way. Unless the weapon was stolen from the last legal owner which then the last legal owner would be clear of wrong doing.
What I think goodnight is trying to portray, is that if there were stricter laws for private sales if a person knows it could come back to haunt them they would be more careful who they sell it to with legal proof who they sold it to.
Still that is not to say a criminal won't be able to get a gun somehow some way.
You cannot give a gun..legally to someone else in another state...
You break the law......goodnight has no clue what the law is.....
Every situation is breaking the law....knowingly or not....that is NO excuse.....
Criminals don't care....
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