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Old 01-20-2015, 11:18 PM
 
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Its not the air you need to worry about, its the massive amounts of Kool Aid you apparently seem to be consuming....
When has no regulation gone wrong? I for one long for the days of the Industrial Revolution.
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Old 01-22-2015, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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. Also there is a lot of crony capitalists who have the ears of politicians too and sometimes to block enivironmental taxes.
And the opposite is also true. Lots of cronies are driving the EPA to extremes today.
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Old 01-22-2015, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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You know you can challenge the decisions of the EPA in court, right? Without the edicts passed by the EPA there is no way you can prosecute harm, because it wouldn't be illegal.

Your appeal to the red scare already shows you know nothing of politics.
Not true at all. I can file a lawsuit over harm any time I have been harmed.

Your appeal to ignorance shows you know nothing of politics.
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Old 01-22-2015, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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I think your real goal is just to prevent any environmental regulation at all so that we can go back to the days of corporate overlords poisoning rivers with sludge and turning skies black with soot. .
And I think your real goal is to have the EPA steal people's land and throw them in jail. Check out this one;

In Pennsylvania, take the story of John Pozsgai, an immigrant from Hungary, who worked as a mechanic and eventually saved enough money to purchase the land bordering his home in Morrisville, Pa. This land was an old auto junkyard, and Mr. Pozsgai, taking pride in his home, proceeded to clean up this landfill by removing 7,000 old tires and rusted-out automobiles. However, the EPA did not view this effort as a clean-up but rather a violation of the Clean Water Act. You see, Mr. Pozsgai's property was a wetland, ambiguously defined by the EPA as any property that has some sort of connection to a wetland. That connection to a wetland was a small drainage ditch located on the edge of his property.

Mr. Pozsgai did not need a permit to dump topsoil on an isolated wetland. However, the Army Corps of Engineers insisted he apply for one. Next, the EPA set up surveillance cameras to capture Mr. Pozsgai filling his land with topsoil. EPA agents then arrested him for "discharging pollutants into waters of the United States." These "pollutants" consisted of earth, topsoil and sand. The EPA openly admits that no hazardous wastes were involved in the case, yet Mr. Pozsgai was found guilty and sentenced to three years in prison and fined $202,000. Mr. Pozsgai spent 1 1/2 years in prison, 1 1/2 in a halfway house, and was under supervised probation for five years. His family went bankrupt and was unable to pay its property taxes on the land.

Washington Times Op-Ed: EPA regulations violate constitutional rights Rand Paul | United States Senator

So keep defending the EPA and their frequent abuse of power.
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Old 01-22-2015, 09:36 AM
 
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Nixon was smart to set up the EPA. Some of us are old enough to remember when corporations felt free to pollute and abuse our beautiful country.
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Old 01-22-2015, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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And I think your real goal is to have the EPA steal people's land and throw them in jail. Check out this one;

In Pennsylvania, take the story of John Pozsgai, an immigrant from Hungary, who worked as a mechanic and eventually saved enough money to purchase the land bordering his home in Morrisville, Pa. This land was an old auto junkyard, and Mr. Pozsgai, taking pride in his home, proceeded to clean up this landfill by removing 7,000 old tires and rusted-out automobiles. However, the EPA did not view this effort as a clean-up but rather a violation of the Clean Water Act. You see, Mr. Pozsgai's property was a wetland, ambiguously defined by the EPA as any property that has some sort of connection to a wetland. That connection to a wetland was a small drainage ditch located on the edge of his property.

Mr. Pozsgai did not need a permit to dump topsoil on an isolated wetland. However, the Army Corps of Engineers insisted he apply for one. Next, the EPA set up surveillance cameras to capture Mr. Pozsgai filling his land with topsoil. EPA agents then arrested him for "discharging pollutants into waters of the United States." These "pollutants" consisted of earth, topsoil and sand. The EPA openly admits that no hazardous wastes were involved in the case, yet Mr. Pozsgai was found guilty and sentenced to three years in prison and fined $202,000. Mr. Pozsgai spent 1 1/2 years in prison, 1 1/2 in a halfway house, and was under supervised probation for five years. His family went bankrupt and was unable to pay its property taxes on the land.

Washington Times Op-Ed: EPA regulations violate constitutional rights Rand Paul | United States Senator

So keep defending the EPA and their frequent abuse of power.
The penalty sounds severe but they did warn him, wetlands on private property is still defined as wetlands. There is really not enough being done on as far as enforcement, particularly big companies.
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Old 01-22-2015, 04:31 PM
 
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The penalty sounds severe but they did warn him, wetlands on private property is still defined as wetlands. There is really not enough being done on as far as enforcement, particularly big companies.
The point is EPA is out of control. It's their extreme behavior that people hate. Here is another example from the same source.

A similar breach of power can be studied in the case of John Rapanos. Federal officials prosecuted Mr. Rapanos for shoveling dirt around on his property in Bay County, Mich. The EPA and Army Corps of Engineers filed charges against Mr. Rapanos for "polluting" the wetlands by leveling the soil on his property. Under the "migratory molecule" rule, the Army Corps claims that any isolated wetland can fall under federal jurisdiction because there is a speculative possibility that a water molecule from one wetland may reach another navigable waterway. In Mr. Rapanos' case, the nearest navigable water is roughly 20 miles from his property.
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Old 01-22-2015, 04:32 PM
 
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And another example, same source;

Mr. and Mrs. Michael Sackett, of Priest Lake, Idaho, also have fallen victim to the EPA's abusive and overbearing practices. The Sackett family sought to build a house on its half-acre of land, yet after construction broke ground, the EPA interfered, claiming the family violated the Clean Water Act by placing fill materials into "wetlands." Their property was designated as a wetland, yet their neighbors have built houses on either side of their lot and their lot already has established sewage lines. Their lot does not harbor a lake, pond or stream, yet the EPA is requiring them to obtain a building permit that would cost more than the value of their land. The Sacketts proceeded by filing suit, but the request was dismissed by a federal judge. The Supreme Court is now considering these violations.
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Old 01-22-2015, 06:02 PM
 
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Funny how so many ignore the fact that the EPA is part and parcel of the US fedguv the largest polluter on the planet,so irrefutably the goal of the EPA is to protect the right of the fedguv and its special interest pals to pollute at will.
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Old 01-22-2015, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Funny how so many ignore the fact that the EPA is part and parcel of the US fedguv the largest polluter on the planet,so irrefutably the goal of the EPA is to protect the right of the fedguv and its special interest pals to pollute at will.
A general rant or referring to something specific? The EPA isn't some all powerful department.
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