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Thank you, but I think the contrast is valid. If the President of the United States is supposed to be an example to follow, I think he serves to illustrate the problem we have here today. Nobody wants to take responsibility for anything, certainly not he.
All societal attitudes have an original source. Obama may not be the originator of this "no responsibility" attitude, but he certainly does reinforce it.
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Originally Posted by nononsenseguy
You know, I have to really wonder: Do you know how to read? When I said the President should be an example to follow, I didn't mean Obama should be. I meant "The President."
Reading is a basic skill. Apparently it isn't being taught anymore.
Obama is the president, is he not? I'm sorry if I embarrassed you but those are your words.
Then why are you even discussing it? You're fine no matter what happens, right? If abortion would be forbidden, then well, that's just the law of the land!?
this a forum. I am pro choice. abortion was once illegal which is why I am vocal about it. I will remain vocal all my days as will all the younger generation of pro choice people will. we will not go back to the days where women died from illegal or self inflicted abortion.
I'm not entirely sure.
I've never been a deeply believer an the muslim God whos son decided to convert to another religion.
I've never been a husband who has been cheated on, nor a homeless person who became angry at some rich guy treating him bad, nor a soldier who after his comrades were killed is seing red, nor a police officer during the Third Reich, nor a mentally instable bullying victim, etc. pp.
So who am I to judge if anyone kills another person if I myself haven't been in the same position before, right?
your examples don't cut it. these are people living and not dependent on a womb to survive.
do you have autonomy over your own body? do you have the right to privacy with your medical issues and decisions? women do and we will keep that right.
obama supports a woman's right to choice. as pointed out to you by another poster, you just don't like the responsible choice a woman makes if it's abortion. FYI abortion is taking responsibility.
I know the President supports abortion.
Abortion is not a "responsible choice." It is no choice at all, for one party involved.
Abortion is not "taking responsibility." It is a complete refusal to take responsibility. It is very selfish. I could never understand how a real woman could kill her own child. What kind of animal would do this? How barbaric.
There was a recent story about a woman who set her baby on fire in the street (of course, the child did not survive). Any woman who would kill her child in the womb is no better than that woman.
define elective. I personally would not support a late term abortion on a healthy baby. neither BTW does the law. late term abortions are done for medical reasons only.
Sure, I'll define elective real nice and easy.
Nothing wrong with the baby and no complications in the pregnancy.
So, in this situation would you say that such a late term pregnancy remain illegal?
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Originally Posted by thefragile
Seems to me you're the overly emotional one. Why are you bringing up two week prematures then? What does that have to do with early abortion? Oh that's right, it doesn't.
Do you really feel that determining when a baby is a person is not relevant to the discussion of abortion?
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Originally Posted by thefragile
If you saw a 24 week old sonogram, do you think it would look like a baby? It's a simple question. I mean, you're the one who asked when a fetus is considered a person, I simply responded.
At 22 weeks, he/she certainly looks like a baby to me.
Nothing wrong with the baby and no complications in the pregnancy.
So, in this situation would you say that such a late term pregnancy remain illegal?
Do you really feel that determining when a baby is a person is not relevant to the discussion of abortion?
At 22 weeks, he/she certainly looks like a baby to me.
Does this look to you like a baby or a soda can?
I could go for a diet coke right about now, thanks. Actually yes, I think it looks like a baby. I've also not said anything about late term abortions. That's all you.
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