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Originally Posted by nononsenseguy
Welfare has nothing to do with abortion. Nothing.
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Well if most people against abortion rights didn't consider access to free, legal, easy-to-get contraception welfare, you might have a point.
But it often seems to be a pet peeve of US anti abortion people, the contraception thing being wefare too.
There is no other choice (and look at all other countries' stats) : the easier/cheapest contraception is and I add, the less judgamental view of sex is in a society, the least abortions a country has. In the contrary, countries that don't pratice that, have more abortions and more teenage pregnancies. (I'm only talking about the occident as widening the debate to the situation of women in Africa for example would be too harsh maybe for sensible people who love life so much)
Of course, it will never be zero. Nor will road accidents stats ever be (same people against abortion "because it is murder" argue - on that exact same page of P&C - that it's horryfing for freedom to fine someone for eating a hamburger while driving when doing so can kill an actual
person! It would be funny if it weren't so sad)
Let me tell you a little secret. EVERYONE from everyside wants abortions as down in stats as possible. Just, maybe, not for the same reasons, that's all..
Telling people to shut down and ignore a most profound, deep, inner and millions of centuries older than you can consider, need to have sex (advice known as "keep those legs shut" - don't you know any other sex position, people
) .... is not a solution. Never worked, doesn't work, won't ever work.
Contraception, no shameful education about sex and very little if none financial means to obtain it : results could always be better in an ideal world where no accident happens but it's proven that it works and keeps working !
I can only hear, and respectfully disagree, someone who would be againt abortion but defending sex education at an early age, contraception accessible and free and no judgment on sexuality whatever form (consensual being the only required basis). Then we could probably talk, have still a heated debate and share a beer while doing it, and laughing too I hope.
Otherwise... hypocrite, unrealistic and contradictory.
You are pro-life and want to protect it ? You love your son and/or daughter ? Educate them HOW not to have an abortion and here's an obvious hint in case I wasn't crystal enough clear : talk to them about sex, give them the autonomy to protect themselves an make intelligent decisions, fight for these high schools to give condoms.
Who ever thought a teenager bold enough to go to the school nurse to get a condom was being encouraged to have sex by having that possibility? As if teenagers are always bored anyway, he/she was so bored that day, that they thought "let's try and have sex, I hear they give out free rubbers". If you think that, it might explain that you think abstinence only is an effective teaching. That teeenager HAS ALREADY decided to/ or has already had probably unprotected sex, help him/her not have a difficult thing to face because of it. And pregnancy isn't the hardest, as you all know...
Noone wishes anyone an abortion.
It needs to be legal for multiple factors, the simplest one to state being that women for many reasons have always had, still have and will have abortions, whether legal or not. So if you respect life, you can't wish death or mutilation on these women, by making it illegal and dangerous.
The only fight is how to decrease them. Abstinence doesn't work (hardly even, if you look at stats of people in states that mostly preach it). Education and contraception does.
Choose your battle.
Or would that be welfary thinking ?
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