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That's like saying that forcing Jews to wear the Star of David in public is not compulsory because they have the choice to sit inside all day.
Not the same at all, but way to go all Godwin on us. Mississippi and West Virginia have never allowed these exemptions, resulting in the highest vaccination rates in the country.
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A woman's choice to abort won't cause an outbreak.
I don't think you understand what vaccines have done for us over the last hundred years. I only need one example here... Polio
Wow… you picked a good one.
When I was young, I watched my next door neighbor get carried off on a stretcher one night, stricken with polio. He was about 6 years older than me. 4 of my closest friends throughout my school days all had paralyzed limbs from polio. One died young because one of his lungs was paralyzed. Every class in all the elementary schools around town had at least one kid who had braces and crutches in it, or a a shriveled arm, or a weakened limb. We never saw the ones in iron lungs, but we heard about them. Once in a while, we would see some poor kid being wheeled around town by his parents in a wheelchair.
The town I lived in was one that received the very first polio vaccine when it was still in the trial stage. The next year, all the towns around us had a dozen kids or more my age that came down with polio, but in my grade, only one child caught it. He wasn't vaccinated on the day they came and gave the shots.
The fear of catching polio could close a business forever. There was a swimming pool in this area that went broke after some kids came down with the disease one summer. All of them had swum in the pool, but it was a popular local getaway; hundreds of other kids who swam there never got sick, but the fear of polio was so deep the pool went empty the next year all season, and the year afterward.
The owners went broke and closed it. They couldn't sell it, and the entire property was abandoned. The ruins are still there today. The same things happened with ice cream stands, and other businesses where kids like to congregate. The rumors were as terrifying as the disease.
Polio was one of the very worst. The Saulk vaccine was a true miracle. Within less than a generation, polio was gone in the United States. My little sister, 9 years younger than I, never saw a classmate who had gotten the disease by the time she went to the same schools I did.
I never knew anyone who caught smallpox, but I knew some adults who did. They all looked like they had been sandblasted, and one was blinded from it. One said he was the only child in his family who lived, and he said he went through hell with the disease; it was torture to even blink, because the inside of his eyelids were poxy. The insides of his nose and ears were, too.
By the time I was born, there was already enough herd resistance from widespread vaccinations to make smallpox rare, but it wasn't gone yet. I remember reading about outbreaks that still killed people by the dozens in remote areas all over the country. Smallpox would leave and then come back, again and again.
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I agree with Vvega. I would also add that if people opt out, schools can also choose not to admit their unvaccinated kids.
I am very pro-vaccination but also pro-freedom. Andrew Wakefield (and his buddy Jenny McCarthy ) were completely discredited. But I don't think that government should be able to force anyone to put any substance into their body. However, if you want your kid to attend government/taxpayer funded schools, the government should have the right to bar your kid from the school. Colleges, public and private, should be able to require vaccinations of anyone choosing to live in the dorms. Day care centers should be able to require vaccinations, or not admit an unvaccinated kid. Employers, especially in healthcare, should be able to require it of employees.
I'd rather see the government somehow "incentivize" vaccinating rather than mandating it.
Do you believe that every person owns themselves? Then no forcing them to do what you want. Do you believe you own them? Then you're a sociopath and a tyrant. If not that, then you're just tricked into thinking it's justified...it isn't.
What about Tetanus? With Tetanus you can take the shot after you're at risk. i.e. You step on a rusty nail, you can go to the doctor and have a Tetanus shot at that time. There's no actual need to take it as a preventative measure but most do anyhow. Should we ban kids from school for not having a Tetanus shot?
That is a booster, sweetheart.
These conversations would be more fruitful if we were all coming from the same knowledge base.
An adequate knowledge base would be helpful, but you seldom, if ever, see that in these vaccine discussions. The most anti-vax have the least knowledge.
If we're going to allow people to infect others, we may as well allow people to drive at any speed they want. Public safety. Big concern. Why is this being politicized? I didn't know Jenny McCarthy had such political clout.
so you are in favor of forcing someone due to their religion in forcing a vaccine upon them.
how would you feel about forcing other things upon those that do not want them.
An adequate knowledge base would be helpful, but you seldom, if ever, see that in these vaccine discussions. The most anti-vax have the least knowledge.
Love the link!
Some of the militant pro-vaxxers don't have a good grasp on stats, too.
But I agree the anti-vax contingent tends to attract the mouth breathers.
it seems like rational conversation is very limited amongst both groups. It's either a hard line one way or another.
Barring allergic reactions, no one should be allowed to use public facilities if they refuse to be vaccinated against airborne/droplet/oral-fecal transmitted infections that have efficacious vaccines. Especially if there is a considerable associated morbidity/mortality rate. Those are the ones that should be mandatory.
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) were completely discredited. But I don't think that government should be able to force anyone to put any substance into their body. However, if you want your kid to attend government/taxpayer funded schools, the government should have the right to bar your kid from the school. Colleges, public and private, should be able to require vaccinations of anyone choosing to live in the dorms. Day care centers should be able to require vaccinations, or not admit an unvaccinated kid. Employers, especially in healthcare, should be able to require it of employees. 