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Old 02-17-2015, 01:01 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Seabass Inna Bun View Post
According to everyone but those who believe what they're told to believe by right-wing scum regardless of facts or reality.

Remember how Republican scum said Iraq had to be invaded because it posed a threat? Remember how it didn't? That's how it's a mistake. Hope that helps.
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You are the one that swallowed the hogwash. Bush, Cheney, Powell, and Rumsfeld sat together in a room and said to themselves, "Hey...what can we make up to go to war, as there also was the executives from the major oil companies there. They met right after the first election of bush jr. This is when they started dividing the pie.
Ignore history all you want.

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Old 02-17-2015, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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I never really supported the invasion, and I much more grotesquely against it once the whole WMD hoax was used. But, I can't deny that I am glad to see the pos Hussein gone from his throne; Being responsible for the deaths of millions.
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Old 02-17-2015, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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I didn't support it, per se, but I felt (and still do feel) that we were justified in our action. I don't care about the WMD argument - it's irrelevant. Hussein had been breaking the cease fire agreement he had made on a nearly daily basis, putting our men and women at risk. That alone was reason enough to take him out, and it was specified in the authorization which Hillary Clinton voted for.

I saw it as a continuation of the first gulf war, which is technically what it was.
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Old 02-17-2015, 01:06 PM
 
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I didn't support it, per se, but I felt (and still do feel) that we were justified in our action. I don't care about the WMD argument - it's irrelevant. Hussein had been breaking the cease fire agreement he had made on a nearly daily basis, putting our men and women at risk. That alone was reason enough to take him out, and it was specified in the authorization which Hillary Clinton voted for.

I saw it as a continuation of the first gulf war, which is technically what it was.
That is a good point. The first Gulf War never actually was ended. A cease-fire was signed, and Iraq broke the terms of it over and over.
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Old 02-17-2015, 01:08 PM
 
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I am politically independent and was originally very much against invading Iraq, but wanted to give both sides equal
Attention.

I got caught up in all the fear mongering around WMDs. The intelligence was coming from a lot of countries.

Then even Thomas Friedman, who is usually very liberal, wrote what the amazing benefits would be if democracy broke out in the ME, and this could be its chance.

Then the Dems in Congress voted for it.

I trusted and respected Colin Powell.

The final nudge was Bill Clinton saying that GW was making the right decision.

By two days after we invaded, I knew it was a terrible mistake.

As much as I am sickened by what liberals have done to our country, I am now too afraid to vote for a Republican be cause they are too gun-ho to get us involved in more ME wars.
I didn't vote for the first time in the last election.
I see the sacrifices our brave men and women in the military are making, and it can't stand to see one more life given or limb amputated, or veteran suicide for some Muslim country that hates us anyway.
We should focus on protecting America, and let the ME sort it out themselves.
"I am now too afraid to vote for a Republican"

I respect your opinion on this matter but, am a little confused. Remenber Clinton a DEM called for a regime change in IRAQ and supported Bush, The Senate Majority Leader in the Senate not only supported it but, co-sponsored the bill giving Bush authority, the House Minority Leader a DEM co-sponsored the bill. Just about EVERY TOP leader in the DEM party supported it.

So why would you vote for a DEM?
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Old 02-17-2015, 01:10 PM
 
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According to everyone but those who believe what they're told to believe by right-wing scum regardless of facts or reality.



Remember how Republican scum said Iraq had to be invaded because it posed a threat? Remember how it didn't? That's how it's a mistake. Hope that helps.
As they say, "When you have NOTHING of value to say, throw insults."
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Old 02-17-2015, 01:13 PM
 
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I never really supported the invasion, and I much more grotesquely against it once the whole WMD hoax was used. But, I can't deny that I am glad to see the pos Hussein gone from his throne; Being responsible for the deaths of millions.
Unfortunately too many ONLY remember the WMD issue and NOT the rest of the reasons, of which there were many as spelled out in the bill.
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Old 02-17-2015, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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As much as I am sickened by what liberals have done to our country, I am now too afraid to vote for a Republican be cause they are too gun-ho to get us involved in more ME wars.
I didn't vote for the first time in the last election.
I see the sacrifices our brave men and women in the military are making, and it can't stand to see one more life given or limb amputated, or veteran suicide for some Muslim country that hates us anyway.
We should focus on protecting America, and let the ME sort it out themselves.
Understood and agreed!

How about Sen. Rand Paul?

Sen. Rand Paul Says Foreign Policy Stance Puts Him in Mainstream

he sees war as a “last resort,” seeking a middle ground between his party’s traditional defense arm and a libertarian wing skeptical of foreign entanglements. Congress needs to be consulted on military actions and should approve defense budgets that don’t compromise national security or increase the deficit, he said.

“I’m not going to apologize for this. If I’m ever commander-in-chief, I will not want to take the country to war,” he told The Wall Street Journal CEO Council’s annual meeting.


Sen. Rand Paul Says Foreign Policy Stance Puts Him in Mainstream - WSJ
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Old 02-17-2015, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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I think the mistake was Obama plan to leave; we left and ISIS filled the vacuum.
That's a result of Bush's illegal invasion toppling the government.

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I can well remember liberals then saying we shouldn't go because we would lose 20K+ troops invading because of chemical weapons.
Couldn't care less about your troops, but I opposed it because it would ruin Iraq for no reason. I have no particular love for the place myself, but I imagine those who lived there were fine with it not being destroyed by Americans.

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Even UN said when they had to left they had not gotten all the WMD's.
Not to my recollection. Please support your claim. My recollection is that the Bush Administration's intelligence regarding these weapons was described by the UN inspectors as "garbage".
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Old 02-17-2015, 01:20 PM
 
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Hindsight is 20/20. I don't think there is much of an argument against the Iraq War being a mistake. But if memory serves me right, there was a lot of popular support for the war when it began. I'm curious what people's thinking at the time was that would render such a war beneficial in some way.
What was my rationale?

The resolution cited many factors as justifying the use of military force against Iraq:[3][4]
The resolution "supported" and "encouraged" diplomatic efforts by President George W. Bush to "strictly enforce through the U.N. Security Council all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq" and "obtain prompt and decisive action by the Security Council to ensure that Iraq abandons its strategy of delay, evasion, and noncompliance and promptly and strictly complies with all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq."
The resolution authorized President Bush to use the Armed Forces of the United States "as he determines to be necessary and appropriate" in order to "defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding Iraq."
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