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Old 02-24-2015, 09:42 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Opin_Yunated View Post
How do people on the right consistently get the FACTS of these issues wrong?

Obama is trying to protect your internet freedom by limiting corporations from ****ing with your internet speed and content.
By taking direct control because government is oh so efficient.

NOT!
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Old 02-24-2015, 10:45 AM
 
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Obama's 300 page bill could lower internet costs or could regulate web sites who disagree with the leftist point of view. We don't know because, once again, “We have to pass the bill to know what’s in in it”.
(it's not a bill)
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Old 02-24-2015, 10:55 AM
 
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Again If thats the case why are they keeping more than 300 pages of new regulations a "secret" from the public for debate.
300+ pages of regulations? Of the 332 pages, how many do you think are regulations and how many are responses to comments the public submitted on the proposed regulations?
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Old 02-24-2015, 11:08 AM
 
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Here's the proposed regulation if anyone cares to read it:

Proposed Rules

Part 8 of Title 47 of the Code of Federal Regulations is amended as follows:

Purpose.

The purpose of this Part is to protect and promote the Internet as an open platform enabling consumer choice, freedom of expression, end-user control, competition, and the freedom to innovate without permission, and thereby to encourage the deployment of advanced telecommunications capability and remove barriers to infrastructure investment.

§ 8.3

Transparency.


(a) A person engaged in the provision of broadband Internet access service shall publicly disclose accurate information regarding the network management practices, performance, and commercial terms of its broadband Internet access services, in a manner tailored (i) for end users to make informed choices regarding use of such services, (ii) for edge providers to develop, market, and maintain Internet offerings, and (iii) for the Commission and members of the public to understand how such person complies with the requirements described in sections 8.5 and 8.7 of this chapter.

(b) In making the disclosures required by this section, a person engaged in the provision of broadband Internet access service shall include meaningful information regarding the source, timing, speed, packet loss, and duration of congestion.

(c) In making the disclosures required by this section, a person engaged in the provision of broadband Internet access service shall publicly disclose in a timely manner to end users, edge providers, and the Commission when they make changes to their network practices as well as any instances of blocking, throttling, and pay-for-priority arrangements, or the parameters of default or “best effort” service as distinct from any priority service.

§ 8.5

No Blocking.


A person engaged in the provision of fixed broadband Internet access service, insofar as such person is so engaged, shall not block lawful content, applications, services, or non-harmful devices, subject to reasonable network management. A person engaged in the provision of mobile broadband Internet access service, insofar as such person is
so engaged, shall not block consumers from accessing lawful websites, subject to reasonable network management; nor shall such person block applications that compete with the provider’s voice or video telephony services, subject to reasonable network management.

§ 8.7

No Commercially Unreasonable Practices.


A person engaged in the provision of fixed broadband Internet access service, insofar as such person is so engaged, shall not engage in commercially unreasonable practices. Reasonable network management shall not constitute a commercially unreasonable practice.

§ 8.9

Other Laws and Considerations.


Nothing in this part supersedes any obligation or authorization a provider of broadband Internet access service may have to address the needs of emergency communications or law enforcement, public safety, or national security authorities, consistent with or as permitted by applicable law, or limits the provider’s ability to do so. Nothing in this part prohibits reasonable efforts by a provider of broadband Internet access service to address copyright infringement or other unlawful activity.

§ 8.11 Definitions.

(a) Block. The failure of a broadband Internet access service to provide an edge provider with a minimum level of access that is sufficiently robust, fast, and dynamic for effective use by end users and edge providers.

(b) Broadband Internet access service. A mass-market retail service by wire or radio that provides the capability to transmit data to and receive data from all or substantially all Internet endpoints, including any capabilities that are incidental to and enable the operation of the communications service, but excluding dial-up Internet access service. This term also encompasses any service that the Commission finds to be providing a functional equivalent of the service described in the previous sentence, or that is used to evade the protections set forth in this Part.

(c) Edge Provider. Any individual or entity that provides any content, application, or service over the Internet, and any individual or entity that provides a device used for accessing any content, application, or service over the Internet.

(d) End User. Any individual or entity that uses a broadband Internet access service.

(e) Fixed broadband Internet access service. A broadband Internet access service that serves end users primarily at fixed endpoints using stationary equipment. Fixed broadband Internet access service includes fixed wireless services (including fixed unlicensed wireless services), and fixed satellite services.

(f) Mobile broadband Internet access service. A broadband Internet access service that serves end users primarily using mobile stations.

(g) Reasonable network management. A network management practice is reasonable if it is appropriate and tailored to achieving a legitimate network management purpose, taking into account the particular network architecture and technology of the broadband Internet access service.
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Old 02-24-2015, 11:21 AM
 
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Here's the proposed regulation if anyone cares to read it:

You or anyone else doesn't know what's in the regulations because Obama is hiding it. All you can do is just speculate "period"!!!
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Old 02-24-2015, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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My internet speed and content is fine...i don't need obamanet!!!!

Again if so wonderful why is he keeping the regulations a big secrete from public debate...hmmmm sounds familar
But if/when the net gets hacked again by bad guys (North Korea again, cyber terrorists from China or Russia, etc.), and you lose your access and your provider can do nothing about it, I bet you'll be moaning about the government doing something about it.

The US Federal Government had a role in creating the internet, they have a role in running and protecting it. Don't be obtuse and think it's just you and Verizon (or whoever).

I'll take all the government protection I can get on the internet. The internet is way too big and important to be left to profit seekers.
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Old 02-24-2015, 11:28 AM
 
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But if/when the net gets hacked again by bad guys (North Korea again, cyber terrorists from China or Russia, etc.), and you lose your access and your provider can do nothing about it, I bet you'll be moaning about the government doing something about it.

The US Federal Government had a role in creating the internet, they have a role in running and protecting it. Don't be obtuse and think it's just you and Verizon (or whoever).

I'll take all the government protection I can get on the internet. The internet is way too big and important to be left to profit seekers.
If your willing to give up personal freedoms that easy thats your business..not me
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Old 02-24-2015, 11:30 AM
 
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You or anyone else doesn't know what's in the regulations because Obama is hiding it. All you can do is just speculate "period"!!!
Hahaha. Posting the proposed regulation is "speculat[ing]." Obama is "hiding" this.

Thanks for the laugh.
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Old 02-24-2015, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The internet has replaced TV as a means of mass propaganda so the USG needs to get their hands into it.
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Old 02-24-2015, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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Please tell me whats wrong with the internet that we now need a massive bureaucracy to regulate it.

And why does the Obama administration refuse to release the plan publicly.
Because Obama has angled his view on this in just the right way that it sounds like it's an improvement. 'Net Neutrality' sounds great, does it not? Unfortunately, the name is extremely misleading, but too many liberals only go so far as to read the name. Same issue with the ACA; affordable care act? Not a single negative aspect to the name. But the names of these acts are not representative of what they do.

Sincerely, a liberal who happily supports universal healthcare.

I should also not that Obama is not the only one who names his actions in a misleading way, he's just getting away with it much easier than he should.
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