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Old 03-08-2015, 10:56 AM
 
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Really? No one has ever considered the disparate educational opportunities available to sub-Saharan Africans versus their European counterparts?

Interesting….
IQ is different. Why can't they create educational opportunities for themselves like the rest of the world can?? Where are their schools and universities and why cant they create them? That is the true issue you are avoiding. The answer is their intelligence.

And you can't explain why every single African country is basically an underdeveloped third world country where they can barely feed themselves and contribute no advances to the world. I mean they have a whole continent basically to themselves. While other races are able to do this. Where are the African global tech, finance, and automobile companies? Where is Africa's "Rome" or bustling iconic cities built by Africans? Interesting......

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Old 03-08-2015, 10:56 AM
 
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Really? No one has ever considered the disparate educational opportunities available to sub-Saharan Africans versus their European counterparts?

Interesting….
Many have considered them, but that has never been proven. There are no studies that show education can close the gap in IQ disparities.
 
Old 03-08-2015, 11:02 AM
 
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IQ is different. Why can't they create educational opportunities for themselves like the rest of the world can?? That is the true issue you are avoiding. The answer is their intelligence. And you can't explain why every single African country is basically an underdeveloped third world country where they can barely feed themselves and contribute no advances to the world. I mean they have a whole continent basically to themselves. While other races are able to do this.
Perhaps were it not for European colonialism they would have achieved this on their own already? Instead, Europeans (later Americans) used them as slaves, ruled their countries, and stole their resources.

Know your history. And yes, it is entirely relevant. If you deny someone educational opportunities for centuries, you cannot expect them, or their descendants, to be on par with centuries of descendants who spent years studying in the best universities in the world.
 
Old 03-08-2015, 11:08 AM
 
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IQ is different. Why can't they create educational opportunities for themselves like the rest of the world can?? Where are their schools and universities and why cant they create them? That is the true issue you are avoiding. The answer is their intelligence.

And you can't explain why every single African country is basically an underdeveloped third world country where they can barely feed themselves and contribute no advances to the world. I mean they have a whole continent basically to themselves. While other races are able to do this. Where are the African global tech, finance, and automobile companies? Where is Africa's "Rome" or bustling iconic cities built by Africans? Interesting......
And yet none of that remains when removed from that culture. Culture is unfortunately a difficult thing to overcome. For those that do, the points no longer become valid.
 
Old 03-08-2015, 11:09 AM
 
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Even a Nobel Price winner saying something within his field of study. He was shunned and become an outcast in the science community.

Why does our society do that to someone who said something that society disagrees with, instead, society should use science and facts to prove him wrong.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/10/ny...n-it.html?_r=0
It's not society, per se--it is all groups. Private corporations have their own cultures as well--some are liberal and some are conservative. I worked at a super-conservative firm where you were pretty much gone if you openly expressed any opinion that did not fit with their very right-wing cultural and political beliefs. Political correctness is subjective and related to all political beliefs.
 
Old 03-08-2015, 11:11 AM
 
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Perhaps were it not for European colonialism they would have achieved this on their own already? Instead, Europeans (later Americans) used them as slaves, ruled their countries, and stole their resources.

Know your history. And yes, it is entirely relevant. If you deny someone educational opportunities for centuries, you cannot expect them, or their descendants, to be on par with centuries of descendants who spent years studying in the best universities in the world.
Why were the Europeans so much more advanced already that they had the power to go to Africa, Dominate, and colonise and you put it???where was Africa technologically at this time compared to europeans and why?! You can go back before European colonialism and find that they were still centuries behind. Like I said, where is Africa's rome? And the best areas in Africa were the ones Europeans helped build. And the you would expect to find the countries that Europe didn't colonise to be modern, which is not the case. No one is "denying" them educational opportunities because they have their own countries run entirely by Africans. That's moronic! They are making no progress. What about Haiti?

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Old 03-08-2015, 11:17 AM
 
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Perhaps were it not for European colonialism they would have achieved this on their own already? Instead, Europeans (later Americans) used them as slaves, ruled their countries, and stole their resources.

Know your history. And yes, it is entirely relevant. If you deny someone educational opportunities for centuries, you cannot expect them, or their descendants, to be on par with centuries of descendants who spent years studying in the best universities in the world.
Liberia was never colonized and it's one of the most dysfunctional countries in all of Africa. And if intelligence was not tied to biology then gaps in IQ could be closed in a generation by giving access to better education and nutrition.
 
Old 03-08-2015, 11:18 AM
 
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The statement is not idiotic (except politically-which it certainly was), nor ignorant. Subsaharan Africans do not demonstrate the cognitive ability (on average) that Eurasians do. It is obvious from a million angles.

It is true that individuals of all groups can be brilliant, but the mean across groups is statistically different, and every comparative test and thousands of years of material culture suggests the obvious truth that in IQ East Asian>Europeans>Africans. This is only one dimension of a person's importance and has no bearing on one's rights or inherent contribution to humanity. But the fact that people will go through great gyrations to deny the obvious, and worse, to perpetually imply oppression to explain basic biology, seems intellectually dishonest.

Since none of our laws hinge on intellect, it is pretty meaningless on the personal level. Some people are smart and capable, others smart and incapable, some dull and incapable, others dull and amazingly capable, and most of us are somewhere in the middle (approaching the mean). I think the average IQ of a groups is very important, because it predicts the level of complexity and competence of a given society, and its ability to assimilate new information and skills. The explosive growth of east Asian economies (e.g. Japan 100 years ago, China today),and their rapid adoption of the cutting edge innovations vs. the perpetual chaos and underachievement sub-Saharan countries cannot be blamed exclusively on Europeans. We discriminated against both.

I wish no ill with these views, but as a scientist and rationalist, and a leftist, I cannot stomach the parroting of irrational explanations for the self-evident. It is also true that if I were to write even these common sense ideas in a work e-mail, my career would be over.

And my solutions are hardly racist. I suggest that we enthusiastically mix the races with east Asians marrying Africans, Europeans, Australians, Melanesians, etc. Why not, the children are often gorgeous and often have some of the strength of both races. And as we converge on a global mean IQ, our political institutions will become more readily transportable across political and racial boundaries. Racial purity is an idiotic end game, IMO.
 
Old 03-08-2015, 11:21 AM
 
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Why were the Europeans so much more advanced already that they had the power to go to Africa, Dominate, and colonise and you put it???where was Africa technologically at this time compared to europeans and why?! You can go back before European colonialism and find that they were still centuries behind. Like I said, where is Africa's rome? And the best areas in Africa were the ones Europeans helped build. And the you would expect to find the countries that Europe didn't colonise to be modern, which is not the case. No one is denying them educational opportunities because they have their own countries run entirely by Africans. They are making no progress. What about Haiti?
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Old 03-08-2015, 11:23 AM
 
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Liberia was never colonized and it's one of the most dysfunctional countries in all of Africa. And if intelligence was not tied to biology then gaps in IQ could be closed in a generation by giving access to better education and nutrition.
Take an infant from Africa and raise them with a white child in the U.S. and in 20 years they will be very similar in 20 years on average.
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