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The Constitution simply says that Congress shall make no laws that infringe on free speech.
It says nothing about other non-governmental institutions punishing you for your speech. They can and frequently do.
A public school isn't a nongovernmental institution. That's the argument used to get religion out of schools, that it violates the establishment clause for a public school to be supporting religion. So you can't turn around now and claim it isn't a governmental institution. Either it is or it isn't. If it is, then you need to accept that the school has no right to punish racism. If it isn't, then you need to accept that the school has no right to restrict religion. You can't have both.
Amazing how conservatives always come out the woodwork to defend the indefensible, ostensibly under the guise of defending constitutional rights. Always twisting and perverting laws to defend backwards practices/institutions. And liberals have no morals? We're the ones who lack common sense? Lol. I'm sure some "constitutional scholar" will come and attack me now, despite all evidence pointing that this is a perfectly warranted, and legal, move.
Yes, you're the ones who have no principles. We're the ones who realize that free speech exists to protect speech we don't like, not just speech we do like.
You're the one who lacks the common sense to distinguish between what the law says and what your opinions are. You just blatantly stated that if someone does something you don't like, then the law shouldn't protect them. You just obviously assumed that since you think something is indefensible, that if conservatives do defend it then they must agree with it. No, we don't all think like you. Unlike you, we are not willing to throw the law out the window when it comes to a situation we don't agree with. Unlike you, we do have the morals and common sense to distinguish between what is being said and the right to say it.
Sorry, but free speech applies to all speech not just speech you agree with. The fact that you don't see this clearly shows that you are indeed the one with the lack of morals and common sense.
OU President Boren is a political savvy guy who's been around the block many a time, he wouldn't have made this move unless he was sure it was legally and ethically defensible.
Political savvy and experience do not automatically equate with legality and morality.
Your appeal to authority (a fallacy) therefore fails.
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Amazing how conservatives always come out the woodwork to defend the indefensible, ostensibly under the guise of defending constitutional rights. Always twisting and perverting laws to defend backwards practices/institutions. And liberals have no morals? We're the ones who lack common sense? Lol. I'm sure some "constitutional scholar" will come and attack me now, despite all evidence pointing that this is a perfectly warranted, and legal, move.
Amazing how liberals defend free speech they agree with, but find that speech they dislike is not protected by the Constitution.
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Well, it isn't.
The Constitution simply says that Congress shall make no laws that infringe on free speech.
It says nothing about other non-governmental institutions punishing you for your speech. They can and frequently do.
University of Oklahoma is a government institution. This has been explained at least ten times in this thread.
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Yes, you're the ones who have no principles. We're the ones who realize that free speech exists to protect speech we don't like, not just speech we do like.
You're the one who lacks the common sense to distinguish between what the law says and what your opinions are. You just blatantly stated that if someone does something you don't like, then the law shouldn't protect them. You just obviously assumed that since you think something is indefensible, that if conservatives do defend it then they must agree with it. No, we don't all think like you. Unlike you, we are not willing to throw the law out the window when it comes to a situation we don't agree with. Unlike you, we do have the morals and common sense to distinguish between what is being said and the right to say it.
Sorry, but free speech applies to all speech not just speech you agree with. The fact that you don't see this clearly shows that you are indeed the one with the lack of morals and common sense.
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Political savvy and experience do not automatically equate with legality and morality.
Your appeal to authority (a fallacy) therefore fails.
Amazing how liberals defend free speech they agree with, but find that speech they dislike is not protected by the Constitution.
University of Oklahoma is a government institution. This has been explained at least ten times in this thread.
'Fighting words' are not protected under the Constitution. Point blank, period. The words uttered by the SAE students were clearly fighting words. Do you deny that they weren't? You guys keep harping on OU's status as a 'governmental entity', yet are ignoring this important fact, quite clearly established by legal precedent. Free speech doesn't apply to all speech--hate speech is not protected. The law is quite clear on this matter, so it seems that you are lacking in legal comprehension, to say nothing of common sense or morals (though I suspect you're probably deficient in those areas, as well).
You think any negative reaction to your words is unconstitutional and that isnt how it works.
No, I do not. private consequences can be expected, public consequences should not occur.
You can tell your wife she looks fat in that dress without being harassed by public authorities. That does not mean such speech will be free of consequences.
'Fighting words' are not protected under the Constitution. Point blank, period. The words uttered by the SAE students were clearly fighting words. Do you deny that they weren't? You guys keep harping on OU's status as a 'governmental entity', yet are ignoring this important fact, quite clearly established by legal precedent. Free speech doesn't apply to all speech--hate speech is not protected. The law is quite clear on this matter, so it seems that you are lacking in legal comprehension, to say nothing of common sense or morals (though I suspect you're probably deficient in those areas, as well).
The racist chant was not directed toward anyone who would be threatened or offended by it. There is no evidence the video was meant for public consumption.
Amazing how conservatives always come out the woodwork to defend the indefensible, ostensibly under the guise of defending constitutional rights. Always twisting and perverting laws to defend backwards practices/institutions. And liberals have no morals? We're the ones who lack common sense? Lol. I'm sure some "constitutional scholar" will come and attack me now, despite all evidence pointing that this is a perfectly warranted, and legal, move.
Amazing how conservatives always come out the woodwork to defend the indefensible, ostensibly under the guise of defending constitutional rights. Always twisting and perverting laws to defend backwards practices/institutions. And liberals have no morals? We're the ones who lack common sense? Lol. I'm sure some "constitutional scholar" will come and attack me now, despite all evidence pointing that this is a perfectly warranted, and legal, move.
Amazing how liberals do not understand that the main purpose of the free speech liberty enshrined in the 1st Amendment is to protect offensive speech. Government will not harass those whose speech offends no one.
The fact is Nation of Islam members and KKK members both attend colleges. Both groups engage in offensive behaviors. This should not prohibit them from attending college.
Some free speech advocates say Boren went too far, setting a dangerous
precedent that will chill free speech on a state university campus, where messy
debates about race, culture and civil liberties are a de facto part of the
curriculum. One advocate said the move could hurt minority students in the long
run.
"He's kicked the door in to open the possibility of expelling students of
color who make offensive statements of race and political ideas," said Michael
Meyers, executive director of the New York Civil Rights Coalition. "The whole
purpose of education is to contest idiocy and superstition and to make you uncomfortable. You're supposed to have a clashing of ideas."
Meyers, who is African American, said he was especially distressed to see
news coverage of minority students at Sunday's rally who celebrated Boren's
action, which Meyers sees as squelching free speech. Many of these students, he
said, "have no idea of the history of the campus free speech movement."
It's hard to decide whether some of the posters here are ignorant of things I knew when I was high school, or whether they are just trolling in the hopes of getting the clueless to join them.
I actually hope it's the latter.
If it's the former, then our public schools are much worse than I thought.
That. ^
I've posted on that, before. Here are the stats for those who care to review:
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U.S. public schools educate only 26% of all public school students to even basic grade-level proficiency in math, 38% in reading, by 12th grade.
Amazing how conservatives always come out the woodwork to defend the indefensible, ostensibly under the guise of defending constitutional rights.
You're wrong about that. Several have defended Samir Shabazz's Constitutional right to say "...you're gonna have to kill some crackers ...kill some of their babies," in public, which he did.
People need to stop emoting and start using critical thinking skills. Or, is the general population just really that stupid?
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