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Old 03-17-2015, 12:51 PM
 
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No one that has ever supported slavery could be considered a libertarian in any meaning of the word that I am aware of.
And yet LOTS of Libertarians openly sympathize with Southern slaveowners.

Libertarians are also roughly 95% white male. Coincidence?
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Old 03-17-2015, 12:51 PM
 
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In America the government is your peer - it is always peering at you.
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Old 03-17-2015, 01:02 PM
 
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There has never been a Libertarian nation for the same reason there has never been a Communist one( China, Russian etc are not really communist), it won't work.
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Old 03-17-2015, 01:14 PM
 
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And yet LOTS of Libertarians openly sympathize with Southern slaveowners.

Libertarians are also roughly 95% white male. Coincidence?
I would not consider anyone who sympathizes with southern slaveholders a libertarian. And if they call themselves "libertarians" they should find a different name. "Free market racists" maybe but not "libertarians". By the way, there are people on the left who apart from economics could be considered libertarians. Well known jazz critic Nat Hentoff and comedian Bill Maher are a couple of examples. There is more to being a libertarian than believing in completely unregulated markets. Number one is individual freedom.
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Old 03-17-2015, 01:24 PM
 
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I would not consider anyone who sympathizes with southern slaveholders a libertarian. And if they call themselves "libertarians" they should find a different name. "Free market racists" maybe but not "libertarians". By the way, there are people on the left who apart from economics could be considered libertarians. Well known jazz critic Nat Hentoff and comedian Bill Maher are a couple of examples. There is more to being a libertarian than believing in completely unregulated markets. Number one is individual freedom.
Please don't feed the race-baiters.
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Old 03-17-2015, 01:36 PM
 
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I would not consider anyone who sympathizes with southern slaveholders a libertarian. And if they call themselves "libertarians" they should find a different name. "Free market racists" maybe but not "libertarians". By the way, there are people on the left who apart from economics could be considered libertarians. Well known jazz critic Nat Hentoff and comedian Bill Maher are a couple of examples. There is more to being a libertarian than believing in completely unregulated markets. Number one is individual freedom.
When I take political quizzes, my test results are usually 'left-libertarian". And that makes sense since I'm a former Libertarian who moved left when I could no longer support the rigid ideology and thinly veiled racism of the movement.

If Libertarians were to drop the subtle racism and wealth-worship at the expense of ordinary people, I MIGHT reconsider them. But as it is- once you get past the rhetoric and posturing- Libertarians mainly fight for upward wealth redistribution and the right of the powerful to take advantage of the less powerful. That's it. Those are their priorities. I don't see how that appeals to anybody except the hateful and the billionaires. And of course the hateful billionaires.
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Old 03-17-2015, 01:42 PM
 
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When I take political quizzes, my test results are usually 'left-libertarian". And that makes sense since I'm a former Libertarian who moved left when I could no longer support the rigid ideology and thinly veiled racism of the movement.

If Libertarians were to drop the subtle racism and wealth-worship at the expense of ordinary people, I MIGHT reconsider them. But as it is- once you get past the rhetoric and posturing- Libertarians mainly fight for upward wealth redistribution and the right of the powerful to take advantage of the less powerful. That's it. Those are their priorities. I don't see how that appeals to anybody except the hateful and the billionaires. And of course the hateful billionaires.
Explain the racism accusation of libertarian? That's one of the more bizarre straw men I've seen, and I'd like a more complete examination of that particular charge.
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Old 03-17-2015, 01:46 PM
 
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When I take political quizzes, my test results are usually 'left-libertarian". And that makes sense since I'm a former Libertarian who moved left when I could no longer support the rigid ideology and thinly veiled racism of the movement.

If Libertarians were to drop the subtle racism and wealth-worship at the expense of ordinary people, I MIGHT reconsider them. But as it is- once you get past the rhetoric and posturing- Libertarians mainly fight for upward wealth redistribution and the right of the powerful to take advantage of the less powerful. That's it. Those are their priorities. I don't see how that appeals to anybody except the hateful and the billionaires. And of course the hateful billionaires.
What are you talking about?

The Libertarian Party endorses completely open borders- no fences, no visas, nothing.

That would attact billions of the black and brown.

Hardly the desires of racist party.
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Old 03-17-2015, 01:51 PM
 
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Explain the racism accusation of libertarian? That's one of the more bizarre straw men I've seen, and I'd like a more complete examination of that particular charge.

Seriously? You're not aware of the fact that a huge chunk of Libertarians- including those on this site- are neoconfederates arguing in support of the slave-owning South? And themselves threatening secession movements? Arguing that people should be free to discriminate? Opposing the Civil Rights Act and even the 17th Amendment?

If you're somehow unaware of these... well then I don't think I can help you. Try Google.
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Old 03-17-2015, 01:55 PM
 
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Explain the racism accusation of libertarian? That's one of the more bizarre straw men I've seen, and I'd like a more complete examination of that particular charge.
Libertarians think that liberty is for all rational sentient beings.

Conservatives believe that black people are not rationally sentient beings.
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