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Old 03-22-2015, 04:21 PM
 
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Without any cold hard facts I get the feeling that NATO has had its day as a united force. I think that the Ukraine crisis has shown that there is very little unity amongst its members. Also there is the fact that the rise of nationalistic political parties is happening in Europe. Maybe I am wrong but it seems that NATO could go the way of the League of Nations after WW1. Any thoughts on that.
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Old 03-22-2015, 04:26 PM
 
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NATO has outlived its usefulness.

It's nothing more than a "let's soak the dumb Americans for our defense so we can spend our money on our citizens" organization.

It should've dissolved as an organization back in 1990.
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Old 03-22-2015, 05:35 PM
 
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NATO has for years only consisted of one country that meets the budget requirement o defense US. Overall it spends 4%. None of the other even meet the 2% requirement. Looks like they are being called on it in Ukraine now. Combine the joint Chief testimony to congress and Europes incapability and you see why Putin moved now.
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Old 03-22-2015, 06:48 PM
 
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NATO has always been irrelevant.
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Old 03-22-2015, 06:55 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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NATO has outlived its usefulness.

It's nothing more than a "let's soak the dumb Americans for our defense so we can spend our money on our citizens" organization.

It should've dissolved as an organization back in 1990.
Much like the United Nations. At least NATO had some semblance of usefulness, which is more than can be said about the UN. Though I agree, get out of both.
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Old 03-22-2015, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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Without any cold hard facts I get the feeling that NATO has had its day as a united force. I think that the Ukraine crisis has shown that there is very little unity amongst its members. Also there is the fact that the rise of nationalistic political parties is happening in Europe. Maybe I am wrong but it seems that NATO could go the way of the League of Nations after WW1. Any thoughts on that.
As NATO's principal adversary, the USSR, is non-existent, I think it is. And they haven't done anything lately that I am aware of that justifies their existence.

[a relic of the Cold War]
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Old 03-25-2015, 02:41 PM
 
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Both NATO and the UN are relics from the aftermath of World War II.

NATO outlived its purpose.

I doubt that anyone would care if the UN went the way of the League of Nations.
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Old 03-25-2015, 02:44 PM
 
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NATO is relevant because it is the legal tool by which the warmongers and war industries
and those banking elite which own them seek to finally eliminate any last vestige of tolerating
a power other than themselves which can deter them from implementing the New World Order.
Wolfowitz Doctrine.
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Old 03-25-2015, 03:03 PM
 
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It maintains military hegemony over a continent that has been at constant war most of the entirety of recorded history. So there's that benefit.

That said, NATO has a requirement that members spend a minimum of 2% of GDP on defense. Currently, the UK, France and Greece are the only members doing so. So basically NATO is the US, Britain and France; the three countries in the world actually capable of projecting power.
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Old 03-25-2015, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Laurentia
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NATO was created as an anti-Russian military alliance among the U.S. and U.S. client states in Europe. Its reason for existence, communist Russia, disappeared in 1991 but it has soldiered on ever since in search of new enemies. The fact that recently the Russian bogeyman had to be revived should tell you something, and even then most of Europe isn't that interested in opposing Russia. It should be noted that even with that since its creation NATO has only collectively waged 3 wars: Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, and Libya, and Article 5 was only invoked once (9/11, Afghanistan).
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