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All storekeepers simply need to wise up to the fact that they can NOT ever hope to discriminate against gays with any degree of success and be fair about it, considering how easy it is for many gays to pass for straight. I don't expect any storekeeper to try to counter that difficulty by asking every customer who comes in the store, "Are you gay?" And if a storekeeper thinks he can sue a gay person, who deceived him, for religious damages, then I bet most judges would throw it out as frivolous. The baker made his money like he was supposed to.
A baker could refuse service to a gay person and the next day sell candied cupcakes to a child molester who used them to seduce children. So a baker open to the public must serve all types of people with money, whether he likes it or not. If he can NOT live with that fact, he might as well get out of the business.
Actually, homosexuals need to wise up to the fact that there is no such thing as homosexual "marriage" and that there a huge number of people in this country that will never take their posturing and pretending to be "married" seriously.
Of course there is virtually no merchant in this country that wants to exclude homosexuals from buying and selling, in their own store or anywhere else. And there is no religion anywhere in the world that teaches that they should be excluded from buying and selling.
But when it comes to being asked to associate with an activity such as a homosexual "wedding" ceremony that is clearly an abomination and an offense to the religious beliefs of most religions around the world, that is another matter entirely, and it is there that people of conscience must draw the line.
Actually, homosexuals need to wise up to the fact that there is no such thing as homosexual "marriage" and that there a huge number of people in this country that will never take their posturing and pretending to be "married" seriously.
Of course there is virtually no merchant in this country that wants to exclude homosexuals from buying and selling, in their own store or anywhere else. And there is no religion anywhere in the world that teaches that they should be excluded from buying and selling.
But when it comes to being asked to associate with an activity such as a homosexual "wedding" ceremony that is clearly an abomination and an offense to the religious beliefs of most religions around the world, that is another matter entirely, and it is there that people of conscience must draw the line.
I think that those businesses should stop serving all sinners. If you want to refuse service based on sin, then don't be a hypocrite.
Actually, homosexuals need to wise up to the fact that there is no such thing as homosexual "marriage" and that there a huge number of people in this country that will never take their posturing and pretending to be "married" seriously.
Of course there is virtually no merchant in this country that wants to exclude homosexuals from buying and selling, in their own store or anywhere else. And there is no religion anywhere in the world that teaches that they should be excluded from buying and selling.
But when it comes to being asked to associate with an activity such as a homosexual "wedding" ceremony that is clearly an abomination and an offense to the religious beliefs of most religions around the world, that is another matter entirely, and it is there that people of conscience must draw the line.
So let me ask you.....do you think they care that a "huge number of people" disapprove of what they stand for? Are they losing sleep over not living their life the way YOU see fit?
Maybe they ought to drop you an e mail and "check in" with you so they can get your approval on how to live their lives?
Agreed, Spartacus713. These bakeries should require detailed sex surveys be filled out by all seeking a wedding cake, listing partners, acts, frequency, marital status at the time. They want the cakes to go to pure folks, after all. The survey should be done verbally over the public address system, after all what would anyone have to hide?
Is this what it's come to in our country? Bickering over cakes?
When the boot of the state is on our throat's it tends to divide people. It is the oldest trick of the state to "divide" and conquer and by forcing their will on all of us, statists keep us distracted and bickering.
We aren't taking about Christian bakeries. We are talking about bakeries owned by a Christian. Playing games with words to try to make your point sound more significant than it is makes clear that you know what you're saying has no merit without distorting the reality.
Maybe most of his customers are Christian. What if the baker puts a sign on his door, Christian bakery. We don't make cakes for gay marriage. What would you do?
I don't know why anyone would waste their time discussing this with you any further. You are just intentionally being obtuse.
You just cannot accept the fact that those businesses are indeed picking the sin that they want to refuse service for. So you play the typical stick your fingers in your ear game, childish.
But when it comes to being asked to associate with an activity such as a homosexual "wedding" ceremony that is clearly an abomination and an offense to the religious beliefs of most religions around the world, that is another matter entirely, and it is there that people of conscience must draw the line.
Once again, many gays can pass for straight. A gay guy can walk into an anti-gay bakery and order a custom made cake for his wedding without letting on that the person he is marrying is a male, rather than a female. So should bakers who won't sell cakes for gay weddings be able to sue for religious damages after being deceived by a gay person? Or sue a straight person who didn't let on that he was really buying the cake for a gay friend's wedding?
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