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Old 04-18-2015, 04:25 AM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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So abstinence has failed because someone has failed to abstain?

Sorry Charley, but abstinence is still the only form of birth control proven to be 100% effective when used as directed.
Too bad we are biological creatures that are wired to reproduce.... People were getting married and starting families in their mid to late teens throughout most of human history. We've redefined what is to be a child/teenager due to compulsory education and longer lives, but biology hasn't caught up with that modern definition of adolescence.

Instead of going against biology, teaching abstinence and safe sex is the most effective method in the real world, not an idealized one.
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Old 04-18-2015, 07:36 AM
 
Location: North Pacific
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Do you have something wrong with using scientific terms? Should we call a fetus "god's gift" or something?

Well then there you go, a fetus doesn't have memories if it is aborted. We all die, sometimes some of us never make it out the gate, that's life and we don't always have the say so in how or when we die.
This and I'm done.

Using the scientific term fetus to describe an unborn (living) baby as if it's less than a living baby, that feels no physical pain ...

equates to about as much sense as using the scientific term homo sapien to describe modern man as if man is less than a human being that feels no pain.

Until we as a society respect that "life" both born and unborn, is "precious" there will be, no, peace, in this life, only death for the living and humanity will never prosper.


(comment if you wish, I am unsubscribed from the off topic thread)

http://www.city-data.com/forum/39267216-post557.html

Abstinence-Only Education Debate Resurfaces - US News

Study: Abstinence-Only Sex Ed Up - ABC News

Abstinence-Only-Until-Marriage Programs: Ineffective, Unethical, and Poor Public Health
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Old 04-18-2015, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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This and I'm done.

Using the scientific term fetus to describe an unborn (living) baby as if it's less than a living baby, that feels no physical pain ...

equates to about as much sense as using the scientific term homo sapien to describe modern man as if man is less than a human being that feels no pain.

Until we as a society respect that "life" both born and unborn, is "precious" there will be, no, peace, in this life, only death for the living and humanity will never prosper.


(comment if you wish, I am unsubscribed from the off topic thread)

http://www.city-data.com/forum/39267216-post557.html

Abstinence-Only Education Debate Resurfaces - US News

Study: Abstinence-Only Sex Ed Up - ABC News

Abstinence-Only-Until-Marriage Programs: Ineffective, Unethical, and Poor Public Health
I like that you go off topic, then complain about others going off topic. Though you have already contradicted yourself by admitting that teaching abstinence ONLY is a bad idea.
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Old 04-18-2015, 12:19 PM
 
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I like that you go off topic, then complain about others going off topic. Though you have already contradicted yourself by admitting that teaching abstinence ONLY is a bad idea.
the complaint may have been because you have been rude and un-necessarily harsh. Obviously there are differing opinions here. You may think you're right, but many of us do not. I disagree with 99% of what you say.
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Old 04-18-2015, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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If you were shot and killed, would you know what the next day's headlines would be?

You do know that the word 'fetus' is a scientific term, for unborn baby. A baby that is living in a really nice environment that nature provided. The baby has a heart and a brain. What does it take to feel pain?
It takes a fully developed nervous system, so let's cut the misinformation and drama.

In cases where a late term abortion is necessary, anesthesia can be used to make sure there is no pain.

When Does a Fetus Feel Pain? | DiscoverMagazine.com

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Fetuses cannot feel pain until at least the 28th week of gestation because they
haven't formed the necessary nerve pathways, says Mark Rosen, an obstetrical
anesthesiologist at the University of California at San Francisco. He and his
colleagues determined that until the third trimester, "the wiring at the point
where you feel pain, such as the skin, doesn't reach the emotional part where
you feel pain, in the brain." Although fetuses start forming pain receptors
eight weeks into development, the thalamus, the part of the brain that routes
information to other areas, doesn't form for 20 more weeks. Without the
thalamus, Rosen says, no information can reach the cortex for processing.
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Old 04-18-2015, 01:43 PM
 
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http://www.city-data.com/forum/great...-children.html
Spin off thread
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Old 04-18-2015, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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the complaint may have been because you have been rude and un-necessarily harsh. Obviously there are differing opinions here. You may think you're right, but many of us do not. I disagree with 99% of what you say.
What exactly do you disagree with? Even Ellis Bell has shown to agree that teaching abstinence only is a bad idea. Or is it the use of the word "fetus?"
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Old 04-18-2015, 06:38 PM
 
Location: The Triad
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In cases where a late term abortion is necessary...
And bear in mind 1) how infrequent these really are and 2) the REASONS behind the delay.
Far too much externally imposed drama.

Right now there are bills in the NC General Assembly that limit/ban
what state paid professional staff can do in public hospitals.

This is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what the states should be doing.

EXPAND the number of clinics.
EVERY public hospital in the country should have staff and facilities.
MOST of their clientele (not the Senators daughters btw) should qualify for FREE care.

Safe, legal rare to be sure... but PROMPT and free too.
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Old 04-19-2015, 09:39 AM
 
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What exactly do you disagree with? Even Ellis Bell has shown to agree that teaching abstinence only is a bad idea. Or is it the use of the word "fetus?"
Once you give school systems the green light to teach sex education any way they want then you are in trouble. Who do we want in charge of our curriculum? You can make a valid point about teaching abstinence only, but there's other related issues. It's not like you stayed on topic in all of your posts.
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Old 04-19-2015, 10:52 AM
 
Location: The Triad
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Once you give school systems the green light to teach sex education...
Those parents who object to SexEd in schools should be required to take the class.
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