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Old 05-11-2015, 05:41 PM
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It IS entertaining.

I'm sure you can confirm, from your military experience, that exercises of this type are carried out by the various services several times a year, albeit on a smaller scale. Most often only those that are closely affiliated know that they are taking place. Perhaps the reason that the news of this exercise has been made such a big deal....
Perhaps the reason this exercise has been made such a big deal is that for the first time in U.S. history, states (two) in their border entireties have been labeled as "Hostile"--and by name--on a training map (both coincidentally conservative strongholds), along with the notoriously and exclusively archconservative bottom tip of California.

Along with Jade Helm's (this is the first under that rubric) shear scale, that's never happened before. Before, outlines of drill geography were always cut randomly to intersect through terrain regardless of state border outline, and the pretend locations were anonymized with pseudonym.


There is also the mystery of two (visually identical) versions of a recent Ad Council PSA for AARP--one with offscreen, background TV 'news' extracts with reportage chatter of "martial law" audible in the narrative, and the other version without:
1.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jT6imIqaCQs
“Riots nationwide have prompted local governments to declare martial law. The President is asking that citizens find safety and remain calm. Authorities are working to contain the outbreak.”
[@ 0:04 to 0:17]
2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTFgrY2KOVE

At 0:24, jade and helm imagery are used in color scheme of knitting needles (arrows), and on the lamp base.

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Old 05-11-2015, 06:15 PM
 
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Perhaps the reason this exercise has been made such a big deal is that for the first time in U.S. history, two states in their border entireties have been labeled as "Hostile" on a training map (both coincidentally conservative strongholds), along with the notoriously and exclusively archconservative bottom tip of California.

Along with Jade Helm's (this is the first under that rubric) shear scale, that's never happened before. Before, outlines of drill geography was cut randomly to intersect through terrain regardless of state border outline, and the pretend locations were anonymized with pseudonym.


There is also the mystery of two (visually identical) versions of a recent Ad Council PSA for AARP--one with offscreen, background TV 'news' extracts with reportage chatter of "martial law" audible in the narrative, and the other version without:
1.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jT6imIqaCQs
“Riots nationwide have prompted local governments to declare martial law. The President is asking that citizens find safety and remain calm. Authorities are working to contain the outbreak.”
[@ 0:04 to 0:17]
2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTFgrY2KOVE

At 0:23, jade and helm imagery are used in color scheme of knitting needles (arrows), and on the lamp base.
Yes and no. Yes, it is the first time that exercises of this magnitude have been conducted in this vast of an area. No, it's not the first time that areas are labeled as hostile. It's part of the "game." There are good guys and bad guys. When you look at the terrain of these areas you may understand. Step back and rid yourself of the conspiracy and look at it objectively if you can. It begins to make sense.

As far as this being part of a master plan for Obama to implement Martial Law, I don't believe for one second that that is going to happen. Even if it were part of his plan military members would not let it happen. I interact with hundreds of military members on a daily basis. No way in hell they would break their oath for that.
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Old 05-11-2015, 06:32 PM
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Yes and no. Yes, it is the first time that exercises of this magnitude have been conducted in this vast of an area. No, it's not the first time that areas are labeled as hostile.
It is the first time exercise geography labeled "Hostile" has been circumscribed along state line--rather than in random coordinate--and accordingly the first time individual states have been isolated as such--and by actual state name.

By coincidence they--along with the notirously archconservative bottom tip of Cali--both happen to be individualist and liberty minded.

(And by contrast this is what a typical past regionalized training exercise has looked like in border outline):
https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-ap...ast.jpg&w=1484

Notice that previosly they are not following the holistic contours of individual state borders or calling them out by name. To do otherwise may risk subtely acclimating participants to subconsciously identifying the called out states as somehow not with the team. Particularly when combined with the fact that a domestic military theater was founded in October 2002 as USNORTHCOM, in apparent contravention of Posse Comitatus.

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It's part of the "game."
It would indeed seem to be such. A reporter from Infowars was called by a former colleague in the military and told to stop messing with their, verbatim quote, "psy op."

Do you have anything to say about the two TV ads that I linked to above? Or about the facts I just reiterated at top of this post?

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Old 05-11-2015, 06:33 PM
 
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As yes.

This reminds me of the great FEMA camp scare of 2008, 2005, 2000, 1996, 1992.....

Or the big UN invasion scares of 1999, 2001, 1994.

Or the big Alex jones scares of 6:15AM, 10:15AM, 2:00PM....daily.
The whole FEMA aspect of this 'scare' is the most amusing part of it. FEMA can barely get it together to distribute water after a hurricane. But this agency is going to be a part of some massively complex secretive maneuvers in a grand plan to round people up and put them into internment camps?

I'm betting that the people who are seriously buying into this conspiracy theory also thought Sharknado was real.
 
Old 05-11-2015, 06:46 PM
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The whole FEMA aspect of this 'scare' is the most amusing part of it. FEMA can barely get it together to distribute water after a hurricane. But this agency is going to be a part of some massively complex secretive maneuvers in a grand plan to round people up and put them into internment camps?

I'm betting that the people who are seriously buying into this conspiracy theory also thought Sharknado was real.
Nobody thinks FEMA alone would be responsible for anything.

Have you watched U.S. Representative Steve Cohen (D-TN) deny sponsoring bills he's on record as doing so?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_WO6UMFYsQ

[@ 9:30]
 
Old 05-11-2015, 07:02 PM
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As far as this being part of a master plan for Obama to implement Martial Law, I don't believe for one second that that is going to happen. Even if it were part of his plan military members would not let it happen. I interact with hundreds of military members on a daily basis. No way in hell they would break their oath for that.
You understand the importance of organizations like Oathkeepers then. And also how scandalous VA care needs to be reformed.

But are you aware of how former-military are being demonized, perhaps deliberately?

_"Scouts Train to Fight Terrorists, and More"_

"IMPERIAL, Calif. — Ten minutes into arrant mayhem in this town near the Mexican border, and the gunman, a disgruntled Iraq war veteran, has already taken out two people, one slumped in his desk, the other covered in blood on the floor.

"The responding officers — eight teenage boys and girls, the youngest 14 — face tripwire, a thin cloud of poisonous gas and loud shots — BAM! BAM! — fired from behind a flimsy wall. They move quickly, pellet guns drawn and masks affixed."

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/14/us/14explorers.html

And how much of the military leadership has been purged recently?

_"Obama's purge of the U. S. military is unprecedented"_
http://www.beaufortobserver.net/Arti...ecedented.html

_"Why Are Dozens Of High Ranking Officers Being Purged From The U.S. Military?"_
http://endoftheamericandream.com/arc...e-u-s-military
 
Old 05-11-2015, 07:05 PM
 
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It is the first time exercise geography labeled "Hostile" has been circumscribed along state line--rather than in random coordinate--and accordingly the first time individual states have been isolated as such--and by actual state name.

By coincidence they--along with the notirously archconservative bottom tip of Cali--both happen to be individualist and liberty minded.

(And by contrast this is what a typical past regionalized training exercise has looked like in border outline):
https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-ap...ast.jpg&w=1484

Notice that previosly they are not following the holistic contours of individual state borders or calling them out by name. To do otherwise may risk subtely acclimating participants to subconsciously identifying the called out states as somehow not with the team. Particularly when combined with the fact that a domestic military theater was founded in October 2002 as USNORTHCOM, in apparent contravention of Posse Comitatus.


It would indeed seem to be such. A reporter from Infowars was called by a former colleague in the military and told to stop messing with their, verbatim quote, "psy op."

Do you have anything to say about the two TV ads that I linked to above? Or about the facts I just reiterated at top of this post?
No, actually I have nothing more to say at all on this matter. People will believe what they want no matter what. They will twist, contort and massage any situation into what ever suits their purpose, whatever that may be.

Sometimes it's more important to walk away and smile that smile that says...
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Old 05-11-2015, 08:08 PM
 
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You understand the importance of organizations like Oathkeepers then. And also how scandalous VA care needs to be reformed.

But are you aware of how former-military are being demonized, perhaps deliberately?

_"Scouts Train to Fight Terrorists, and More"_

"IMPERIAL, Calif. — Ten minutes into arrant mayhem in this town near the Mexican border, and the gunman, a disgruntled Iraq war veteran, has already taken out two people, one slumped in his desk, the other covered in blood on the floor.

"The responding officers — eight teenage boys and girls, the youngest 14 — face tripwire, a thin cloud of poisonous gas and loud shots — BAM! BAM! — fired from behind a flimsy wall. They move quickly, pellet guns drawn and masks affixed."

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/14/us/14explorers.html

And how much of the military leadership has been purged recently?

_"Obama's purge of the U. S. military is unprecedented"_
Obama's purge of the U. S. military is unprecedented

_"Why Are Dozens Of High Ranking Officers Being Purged From The U.S. Military?"_
Why Are Dozens Of High Ranking Officers Being Purged From The U.S. Military?
Your sources are impeccable, lol, how can you even take yourself seriously? As for that list of officers it has been shared here before. One of those times I pulled five names at random and they were all fired for being terrible, incompetent officers.

You do realize that Texas already has tens of thousands of soldiers there, right?
 
Old 05-11-2015, 08:29 PM
 
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Your sources are impeccable, lol, how can you even take yourself seriously? As for that list of officers it has been shared here before. One of those times I pulled five names at random and they were all fired for being terrible, incompetent officers.

You do realize that Texas already has tens of thousands of soldiers there, right?
Yeah, about that list in the second link, I personally know three people on that list. All three retired and had been planing to do so for several years. One extended a year and retired in 2012 instead of 2011 like he had planned.

But, what ever works, right?
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Old 05-11-2015, 08:31 PM
 
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Your sources are impeccable, lol, how can you even take yourself seriously? As for that list of officers it has been shared here before. One of those times I pulled five names at random and they were all fired for being terrible, incompetent officers.

You do realize that Texas already has tens of thousands of soldiers there, right?
Shhh. You're ruining their pretend fun.....
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