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I do see a strong moral difference between a historically persecuted minority preaching group pride and a member of the dominant group. Most people that preach white pride are ignorant racists.
It would be "Most people who preach white pride are ignorant racists." If you're going to accuse people of ignorance you should learn basic grammar. Just saying.
IF I was serious about going to Turkey; yes I WOULD do the things you've just said. Just like I'd expect YOU to follow OUR ways of doing things in the US assuming you were a legal alien. Period.
Hmmm, one of the things stated above was "proud to be an American". I see.
I am glad that you would be a model immigrant in a Muslim country like Turkey, and assimilate immediately and fully. I don't believe that for a second, but whatevs.
I am sure the irony of the posts here would not be lost on the Native Americans.
It would be "Most people who preach white pride are ignorant racists." If you're going to accuse people of ignorance you should learn basic grammar. Just saying.
In that case, you ought to capitalize "F" and "L" in your username, too. Silly, ain't it?
Hmmm, one of the things stated above was "proud to be an American". I see.
I am glad that you would be a model immigrant in a Muslim country like Turkey, and assimilate immediately and fully. I don't believe that for a second, but whatevs.
I am sure the irony of the posts here would not be lost on the Native Americans.
Mick
There was no USA back then and there were no Native Americans. The so-called natives migrated here just like the Europeans did. They didn't just sprout up out of the ground like corn.
Who in the hell is demanding that "immigrants" assimilate immediately? Unfortunately, though there are those who have been here for decades and still haven't assimilated. Learn to know the difference.
Hmmm, one of the things stated above was "proud to be an American". I see.
I am glad that you would be a model immigrant in a Muslim country like Turkey, and assimilate immediately and fully. I don't believe that for a second, but whatevs.
I am sure the irony of the posts here would not be lost on the Native Americans.
Mick
Just stop it please. This is 2015, NOT 1492. NONE of us in 2015 owe the Indians a thing except the SAME rights as any other US citizen here in the US.
Too; the American Indians came to what's the US and so on at different times in history AND they had their share of wars with each other which would count as war crimes in 2015. I'm 100 percent sure the losers; IF they weren't all murdered, were accepted into the winning tribe/nation.
Unless they're belittling another race, it's about the same as any other celebration of things that happened to you by accident of birth. I have brown eyes. Where's my magical month? Among other groups, my dark hair and eyes kept me out of the Aryan race. I'm offended. Do I get to celebrate now?
I stand by my point. Celebrating race (in the way that it's portrayed in the case I was referring to) it utterly pointless.
I also wouldn't say this example in Europe is even so to close to an issue of white supremacy. It's no different than celebrating any other heritage. And that's my point. We attack meaning to people who celebrate their being white, but apply a completely different logic to everyone else and we do this pretty much regardless of where it's happening. I guarantee that is white people started holding up signs about how great it is to be white in Saudi Arabia, they'd be called racist but if a group of Saudis celebrate their being Saudi in France, it's representing their heritage.
So my point stands: celebrating something that you had absolutely no say in being a part of is pointless. I was born white. I'm neither proud nor ashamed of it. It just is.
We're going to have to agree to disagree. Celebrating heritage is a natural form of human expression. Most conservatives see these types of expressions and they long for the same expressions celebrating white supremacy…
We're going to have to agree to disagree. Celebrating heritage is a natural form of human expression. Most conservatives see these types of expressions and they long for the same expressions celebrating white supremacy…
Cultural heritage and race are not the same thing. White people do not necessarily all share a common culture. They are diverse, just as any other race.
To celebrate one's heritage, while still rather silly in my opinion, does not bring the same negativity that celebrating one's race does.
And understand: when I say celebrating one's heritage, I don't mean not taking part of it. If your heritage has certain traditions you want to carry out they may not be typical 'American,' do them and do them happily. By celebrate, I mean the public display of them. To form parades over the celebration of an entire race makes no sense to me. Aside from vague geographic location and skin tone, people of the same race may very well have nothing truly in common. It's the equivalent of celebrating having blue eyes. It's fine to be enjoy them, but be reasonable about the impact they truly have on your life.
Interesting topic! Although I'm not sure I completely understand, I do believe that if someone were to stand up and celebrate blue eyed natural blonds, shades of Hitler would seep in, and that would be the end of that - although the blue eyed blond female, commonly identified as a bimbo, can be celebrated. Do people celebrate being black ... kind of like "gay pride"?
Interesting topic! Although I'm not sure I completely understand, I do believe that if someone were to stand up and celebrate blue eyed natural blonds, shades of Hitler would seep in, and that would be the end of that - although the blue eyed blond female, commonly identified as a bimbo, can be celebrated. Do people celebrate being black ... kind of like "gay pride"?
To celebrate one's heritage, while still rather silly in my opinion, does not bring the same negativity that celebrating one's race does.
But your heritage happens in a thousand small ways, I can't say that it's silly. If you harken back to the original founding of the country (implying mostly English roots), there are subtleties to holidays, things as simple as nursery rhymes (Mary Mary quite contrary), traditional music, books (Chaucer or Shakespeare), famous early historical figures. It isn't all some version of Highland games.
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