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Old 05-15-2015, 11:44 AM
 
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When ever I see a white woman with a black I just think Future single mom.
Not necessarily. I work for a Fortune 500 company and my Black male coworkers are all married to White or Hispanic women. No divorces that I know of.

Now, in my life with friends that are not so well to do, many Black, White and Hispanic women who have no or little involvement from their child's fathers do fit the negative statistics.

Don't want to be poor and deserted with a child, don't get knocked up before getting married


"Men who become fathers outside of marriage are more likely to be poor. These men were 70 percent to 90 percent more likely to be poor compared to men who never had children before marriage. Their risk of poverty varied with the age at which they became fathers."

Marriage and Poverty
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Old 05-15-2015, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Well those statics are somewhat misleading because their parents are still together but not married.
Yeah, keep believing that.
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Old 05-15-2015, 01:11 PM
 
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Look, you can call it want you want. If absentee or abandoned are exaggerations, go with less-involved in a child's life. There is no doubt, none, that the % of black fathers who don't reside with their child is much higher than the % of other races. It's also a fact that fathers in residence have far, far more constant and consistent influence on the child.

If you want to argue that it's better if a rotten father isn't around a child, the same could be said for mothers. A silly, desperate argument.


"We can't simply write these problems off to past injustices. Those injustices are real. There's a reason our families are in disrepair ... but we can't keep using that as an excuse." ...

Says white supremacist prez Obama.
I'm not calling anything any other names.

I answered the question of the OP.

I also stated that being born OOW or having a single parent does not mean that a child has an absentee father.

I spoke nothing of "injustices" of the past. You and people like you may have a fascination with believing that blacks are blaming everything on whitey, but I only said that statistics do lie and don't tell the exact truth. I used my own self as an example being my parents shared custody of me. Yet I was born OOW. My father was and still is an active participant in my life as he was for all 5 of his children.

It is very rare that a black man completely abandons his child or remains "absent" on a regular basis.

Being "more involved" and being "absent" are two totally different things.

Also, in the case of my own dad, who had partial custody of me and my older brother, he took care of us 100% the days we were with him. I am a married woman with a husband and 2 children and I can honestly say that my father was "more involved" as a single dad than my husband is with our children. He doesn't do as much for them or with them as I do. This is the case for the majority of married individuals. The woman bares the brunt of childcare. Men for the most part "help out here or there." So many husbands are not actively involved in their children's lives anyway. And FWIW, my husband is a good dad. But he doesn't get our kids up and dressed for school every day. He doesn't make all of their meals and snacks every day. He doesn't do laundry. He doesn't act as a chaufeur as much as I do. He does help out with homework. He doesn't ensure the kids get their baths everyday. He is around though and he does fun stuff with them like sports and takes them to the library and takes them fishing when he goes and various other "fatherly" things, but my dad, who was not married to my mom, did all of those things and took care of all my day to day needs for half of the year by himself.

So the point was, that you and others like you confuse out of wedlock statistics with absenteeism or abandonment on the part of black fathers when that is not true at all. I provided you information about how it is a myth. (For those who missed it look up - "The Myth of the Missing Black Father"). You dont' want to accept that information for some reason and seek to continue to claim some sort of deficiency on the part of black fathers.
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Old 05-15-2015, 01:24 PM
 
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"The Myth of the Missing Black Father" puh-lease, do you know how much $$$ the American taxpayers (black/white/Chinese) have to shoulder to house, feed, and school children of blacks and Hispanics because da-da splits...or ma-ma "splits"? Numbers don't lie no matter how match you chant "we are the world".
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Old 05-15-2015, 01:31 PM
 
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"The Myth of the Missing Black Father" puh-lease, do you know how much $$$ the American taxpayers (black/white/Chinese) have to shoulder to house, feed, and school children of blacks and Hispanics because da-da splits...or ma-ma "splits"? Numbers don't lie no matter how match you chant "we are the world".
Even tho more Black or "Hispanic" kids out of 100 have fathers that don't stay compared to anglo white kids out of a 100; in total numbers there are MORE anglo white kids in that kind of bad situation because there are 6 times as many of us out there.
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Old 05-15-2015, 01:38 PM
 
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Yeah, keep believing that.
Some of them are still together or they split up later on then might they left their children behind.
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Old 05-15-2015, 02:08 PM
 
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"The Myth of the Missing Black Father" puh-lease, do you know how much $$$ the American taxpayers (black/white/Chinese) have to shoulder to house, feed, and school children of blacks and Hispanics because da-da splits...or ma-ma "splits"? Numbers don't lie no matter how match you chant "we are the world".
You should read the book and study.

It was discovered that black non-custodial parents were more likely to pay child support and provide for their children financially than white men.

Just because you like to stay mirred in decades old stereotypes built upon the assumption of black inferiority doesn't mean that the info in the book and study is not based in reality.
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Old 05-15-2015, 02:42 PM
 
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Statistics, as you speak of them, are a percentage of an isolated group. In this case that is black people,
but as a percentage of the entire population, there are more absent white fathers than black.
Proper context can only be viewed by percentages.
The black population has a bigger problem with it's absent fathers, than the white population has with it's absent fathers... statistically.
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Old 05-17-2015, 01:59 AM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Proper context can only be viewed by percentages.
The black population has a bigger problem with it's absent fathers, than the white population has with it's absent fathers... statistically.
the question was whether or not it was a problem for other groups, not who had the biggest problem.

So in context, it is indeed a problem for multiple races, not just blacks.
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Old 05-17-2015, 06:46 AM
 
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These policies(provided by the government) help perpetuate this dysfunctional cycle that exists within the Black family. As long a Black women(or any women) have all these safety net liberal polices that encourages them to make bad choices and decisions in life, it will never change. While there is fault on men who leave their children, women have to take responsibility for their actions as well. If you keep on choosing to sleep and have children with bad men then at some point you have to be an adult and own up to your bad decisions in life. As long as these liberal feminist policies exists, this dysfunctional cycle in the Black community will never change.

Women can't brag about "not needing a man to raise a family" then complain when there is no man in the family". You can't have it both ways. Realistically, this issue goes far beyond just the Black community and is really an American cultural problem.
I agree with this.
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