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Old 05-07-2015, 09:59 AM
 
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If you have not had physical for 10-15 years or had a medical problem for 3 years because you had no access to health care, then can you blame the newly insured to want those out of the way? Newly insured will need to be told when to schedule an appointment and when to go to ER. It is a matter of educating people.

As shown in the California statistics, there was a spike, and then a 70% decrease in ER visits.
30 million expected to go without insurance. how can we have a 70% decrease in ER visits, but the same number of uninsured?

if you're going to credit ACA, then cite for us what part is responsible considering its done NOTHING it was promised to do.
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Old 05-07-2015, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Did anyone see this happening?
Of course. Many did.

The bogus reports of people going to the ER because they had no insurance were BOGUS.

The biggest users of the ER are medicaid people. Expand medicaid and what do you expect ?
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Old 05-07-2015, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Gone
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He and I are both physicians and that is EXACTLY what is happening.

Now I like parts of the ACA and I think it is high time to get things fixed, but these things are happening.
Fixing the issues is not the agenda of the Cons, they simply want to go back to the failure of a system we had before ACA. I on the other hand want to want to go to a better system like they have in most other civilized Nations have, if it is good enough for our men and women in uniform and their families it is good enough for the rest of us.
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Old 05-07-2015, 10:08 AM
 
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Fixing the issues is not the agenda of the Cons, they simply want to go back to the failure of a system we had before ACA. I on the other hand want to want to go to a better system like they have in most other civilized Nations have, if it is good enough for our men and women in uniform and their families it is good enough for the rest of us.
Clearly fixing the issue isnt the agenda of the left, since they stand here and will argue all day long that ACA has made things better, despite 30+ million still being uninsured, 15 million + now on medicaid, and 11 million losing private policies.

But glad we all got that $2500 drop in premiums we were promised..
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Old 05-07-2015, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Florida
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And then here comes a complaint letter.
Which is now grounds for being fired.

BTW, they know the ER isn't the right place. They are that educated. They simply don't want to wait and tell me this regularly.
This is a problem which can be easily fixed by changing policy. Non-emergencies need to be turned away with comment "sorry, ER is for emergencies only".

Either way, the spike followed by 70% decrease indicates a lot of newly insured getting medical attention after a long wait, and when they're done, the visits fall.
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Old 05-07-2015, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Homeless
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At least they are now paid for by insurance instead of all the free care we were giving away prior.

NO, people are still getting free care it didn't change anything we are still paying for those who have chosen to opt out of Obama care.
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Old 05-07-2015, 10:43 AM
 
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This is a problem which can be easily fixed by changing policy. Non-emergencies need to be turned away with comment "sorry, ER is for emergencies".
So we didnt need ACA and the trillions in spending that go along with it, a $.50 sign would have fixed it all..
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Old 05-07-2015, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Texas
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This is a problem which can be easily fixed by changing policy. Non-emergencies need to be turned away with comment "sorry, ER is for emergencies only".

Either way, the spike followed by 70% decrease indicates a lot of newly insured getting medical attention after a long wait, and when they're done, the visits fall.
Easily fixed and changing policy don't usually go together.
Lawyers + EMTALA + threat of complaints = next to impossible to turn people away.
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Old 05-07-2015, 01:12 PM
 
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its just you have to wait hours if not days to see a doctor. by that point people could be dead.
OH NOES!

Wake up, I've had week long wait times with our current insurance model too.
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Old 05-07-2015, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Easily fixed and changing policy don't usually go together.
Lawyers + EMTALA + threat of complaints = next to impossible to turn people away.
Such lawsuits, and many other lawsuits in the medical field, is something the lawmakers should have looked into a long time ago.
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