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Jeff Foxworthy and Lil Wayne are both from The South. How are they culturally alike? How do they share the same cultural values? Jeff Foxworthy is not fluent in Ebonics while Lil Wayne is. Jeff Foxworthy has been married to the same woman for 20 years while Lil Wayne has several baby mamas because all of his kids were born out of wedlock.
Also most Bosniaks are Muslim while most Croats and Serbians are Christian. That is a pretty big cultural difference. No wonder they don't get along.
Well, here is something about Ebonics. The vocabulary is different, but the roots are similar. Blacks learned English in the South, the southern dialect.
Terms like "acrost", "ax", which are considered ways that Blacks speak, have their roots from people who immigrated to the South from the borderland regions of Scotland/northern England.
There is actually a strong connection between African-American Vernacular English and Southern American English. Where else could the slaves who came to the USA have learned English at first?
What happened? Alot of southern Blacks moved to the cities, especially in the north and west. It is in the cities where the dialect changed is has become what we call "Ebonics".
Difference between Jeff Foxworthy and Li'l Wayne? Li'l Wayne was born in 1982 in New Orleans. New Orleans is like nothing else in the Deep South. New Orleans has more in common with Newark,NJ than the rest of the South.
Jeff Foxworthy was born in 1958, in 1950s Atlanta, and grew up in Hapeville, which is quite small and was back then.
Jeff Foxworthy is a humorist, and alot of his "redneck" jokes have more to do with being "country" and being a rural southern. Different from being a true "redneck" in the sense.
Things change and evolve over time. We are talking about the "roots" and "origins" of certain things.
Well, here is something about Ebonics. The vocabulary is different, but the roots are similar. Blacks learned English in the South, the southern dialect.
Terms like "acrost", "ax", which are considered ways that Blacks speak, have their roots from people who immigrated to the South from the borderland regions of Scotland/northern England.
There is actually a strong connection between African-American Vernacular English and Southern American English. Where else could the slaves who came to the USA have learned English at first?
What happened? Alot of southern Blacks moved to the cities, especially in the north and west. It is in the cities where the dialect changed is has become what we call "Ebonics".
Difference between Jeff Foxworthy and Li'l Wayne? Li'l Wayne was born in 1982 in New Orleans. New Orleans is like nothing else in the Deep South. New Orleans has more in common with Newark,NJ than the rest of the South.
Jeff Foxworthy was born in 1958, in 1950s Atlanta, and grew up in Hapeville, which is quite small and was back then.
Jeff Foxworthy is a humorist, and alot of his "redneck" jokes have more to do with being "country" and being a rural southern. Different from being a true "redneck" in the sense.
Things change and evolve over time. We are talking about the "roots" and "origins" of certain things.
Lil Wayne? Jeff Foxworthy?
First this kind of analysis is a joke
You aren't talking about the roots of anything.
I have yet to see anything explained about anything in this thread. It is determinist thinking
And it goes like this
"Well black Americans as a whole and on a wide host of measures do worse than other Americans it must be their culture that is the cause. Oh yeah black peoples are from the South where redneck culture blah, blah, blah".
And Ta da a dumb racist theory is born.
How does redneck culture explain black people with high school degrees and some college having a higher unemployment rate than white high school drop outs?
How does black culture explain how black people who start businesses get turned down at a much much higher rate for loans?
How does black culture explain that black people with two year degrees have a closer unemployment rate to white high school dropouts than they do to white high school grads? Meaning white people with high school diplomas and no college have a lower unemployment rate than black people with two year degrees.
How does black culture explain how black and white people use marihuana at the same rates but black people are much much more likely to be arrested?
I can go on but this so called black culture explanation doesn't actually answer any questions.
The actual problems that black people experience as a group which are higher unemployment rates, residential racial segregation, lack of business contracts and loans, different treatment by the criminal justice system, less access to the healthcare industry, etc have nothing to do with this phony so called black culture nonsense that racists are certain explains everything.
This thread is hundreds of posts deep and still nothing explained about redneck culture or black culture.
Why it's almost as if it's all made up bs.
Not one definition of what make black culture different from American culture.
No grappling with the reality that as a group black Americans trace their American roots back the furthest of any group in this nation and that includes white Americans the vast majority of whom didn't come until the 1900's.
This means that black Americans as a group have been exposed to only American culture the longest of any group.
Still these same black Americans supposedly have this southern redneck culture that is different from American culture and its collectively holding them back.
How can any reasonable person think yeah that makes sense to me?
It has everything to do with both ways. You can't argue on the one hand that some alleged European immigrant living in the south was the cause of "undesirable" cultural influence on African Americans while at the same time acknowledging that African Americans who were exposed to the same exact alleged cultural experiences developed in en masse to a group that strove for greatness.
"Not one definition of what make black culture different from American culture."
Much higher crime rate and much higher percentage of households headed by single mothers separates Black culture from other cultures in America.
The no snitching/snitches get stitches policy is pretty much a universally respected "code of honor" in Black neighborhoods where gangsta thugs like the Crips, Bloods, Disciples, etc are more well liked than the police.
Pacific Educational group, a San Francisco based organization says that Black students should be held to lower academic and behavioral standards than White students because Blacks are just way too culturally different from the White man.
The organization teaches that Black kids frequently lag behind academically because lessons are taught in White cultural terms they don’t understand. PEG also teaches that Black kids get into a disproportionate amount of trouble because school officials don’t understand their cultural norms.
PEG’s answer is for educators to adjust their academic and behavioral expectations of Black students, stop suspending or expelling them for bad behavior, and literally roll with the punches. PEG says shouting out in class is a Black cultural norm, and being on time is a White cultural thing.
When asked for examples of how school officials have chosen to ignore behavior issues involving Black students, particularly boys, Benner has no shortage of disturbing tales.
“I remember two Black boys humping on a second grade girl,” Benner said. “The teacher wrote up a referral for inappropriate sexual behavior, but the principal and vice principal dismissed it by calling it ‘cultural dancing.’
Benner also remembers a Black student punching another student in the face over the type of shoes he was wearing.
“The principal said they were just playing,” Benner said.
The no snitching/snitches get stitches policy is pretty much a universally respected "code of honor" in Black neighborhoods where gangsta thugs like the Crips, Bloods, Disciples, etc are more well liked than the police.
If that's your real name: I don't know what city you're from or where your family lived after they came to the US but there was a very strong "no snitching" code in South Side Chicago neighborhoods that are currently black ghettos back when my grandparents, and perhaps your grandparents (or at least people who had the same ethnic origins as your grandparents) lived there. Back when Italians, Hungarians (like my grandparents), Poles, Irish, Jews, Greeks, and all the other white ethnic groups lived there, and back when Capone ruled the South Side. And needless to say gangsters were a lot more popular than the cops in all sorts of neighborhoods in America back then.
I agree all the PC stuff is very harmful to American society, American education, and to Americans ourselves, and probably most harmful to blacks even more than the rest of the US population, but omerta type codes existed in a lot of American urban neighborhoods back when said neighborhoods had few or no blacks.
It has everything to do with both ways. You can't argue on the one hand that some alleged European immigrant living in the south was the cause of "undesirable" cultural influence on African Americans while at the same time acknowledging that African Americans who were exposed to the same exact alleged cultural experiences developed in en masse to a group that strove for greatness.
You can't have it both ways.
Many were exposed to the experience. That doesn't mean that they were inculcated with it.
Dr King was indoctrinated into Christianity, but he obviously avoided the worst excesses of a regressive culture and developed himself into an admirable human being.
Therein lies the answer to your question, reasonable person.
I guess so.
The willingness of Americans to believe these silly myths is not surprising.
They don't want to know. They look away.
And it's very very very difficult to not look away.
I often go back to the debate over anti-lynching and the response of black leadership who were against lynching is very telling.
By the way these were great men and women. Yet this is what they said in the face of the lynching of black men
Here is W.E. Dubois We believe the first and greatest step toward the settlement of the present friction between the races lies in the correction of the immorality, crime and laziness among Negroes themselves.
He said this at the height of lynching.
Here's another quote from AMA Bishop Henry McNeal Turner Black men caught in the act deserved a trail but no mercy if found guilty, they should be marked or branded with the letter R, and the right ear cut off.
Again these were great black leaders at the time buying the phony racist narrative that lynchings were caused by the behavior of black men. They looked away.
Ida B Wells showed great courage when she called these lies about lynching being about rape and not about racial hatred and a tool of white supremacy trying to stop black progress.
What this showed me forever is the belief that black people are to blame for the effects of racism are pervasive and deeply embedded in how Americans think about black people.
Think about the evil and illegality of lynching, and yet great black leaders who were against lynchings but accepted the lie that lynchings were caused by the savage behavior of black men which they thought needed to fixed before the lynchings stopped.
This is what I call the racist narrative in America the idea that there is something internally wrong with the black race and black people need to be fixed before we can be treated like other human beings.
That's what this black people have bad culture arguments come from and they make just as much sense.
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