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Old 06-11-2015, 03:56 PM
 
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Actually,I can honestly say that I have NEVER heard ANY foreign leader..... or citizen, on TV proclaim that their country is the greatest in the world,like the arrogant idiots in America constantly do!
Probably because their countries aren't.

 
Old 06-11-2015, 07:59 PM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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Actually,I can honestly say that I have NEVER heard ANY foreign leader..... or citizen, on TV proclaim that their country is the greatest in the world,like the arrogant idiots in America constantly do!
Ok. good for them, let them do what they want.
 
Old 06-12-2015, 08:44 AM
 
Location: it depends
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It feels like most Americans are getting more and more brainwashed and isolated from rest of the world as we could see on many people posting here on city-data and elsewhere which is very frightening but also sad at the same time. People here like to be "unique" and "different" from rest of the world in a bad and silly way, such as being against the metric system when 99% of the world use it, against sales tax being included on the price tags, against socialism as if it is something "evil", against national health care system, against work/life balance laws, against any type of labor laws and employee/job protections, and basically everything that the rest of the world does, particularly Europe, people here are against it! People assume rest of the world are stupid, Europeans/Canadians don't have any freedom, they all pay sky-high taxes, etc. etc.!

I'm also sick and tired of hearing, "Move to xxxx if you don't like it", or "We are the best nation on earth" baloney.... have normal conversation!

What's going on?! I guess we should make it mandatory for high school and college students taking a semester abroad to Europe in order to learn and have their eyes open, perhaps then they will change their mind rather than listening to their right wing media, parents' or grand parents or others that influence them!
Hey, I am sorry. I just prefer the prosperity available in America to those willing to be of value to the rest of us. The sclerotic stagnant economies of the regions you mentioned are not an improvement, in the opinion of many thoughtful people. Expect some pushback when you promte antiprosperity policies. I hope you are in favor of new trade treaties that will make your favorite countries and mine wealthier.
 
Old 06-12-2015, 08:50 AM
 
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We're not brainwashed, we're truly the best nation that has ever been on earth. Most people realize that. As one world leader stated while defending America....."judge a nation on which way the people run when there are no walls."

Oh, BTW.....the constitution IS the law of the land, not the socialist manifesto.....so yea, if you don't like it here, leave. America also gives you the freedom to do just that. The problem is that most who despise our system actually couldn't survive in ANY industrialized nation and wouldn't want to live in undeveloped nations.
 
Old 06-12-2015, 12:41 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Originally Posted by MX City visiting View Post
It feels like most Americans are getting more and more brainwashed and isolated from rest of the world as we could see on many people posting here on city-data and elsewhere which is very frightening but also sad at the same time. People here like to be "unique" and "different" from rest of the world in a bad and silly way, such as being against the metric system when 99% of the world use it, against sales tax being included on the price tags, against socialism as if it is something "evil", against national health care system, against work/life balance laws, against any type of labor laws and employee/job protections, and basically everything that the rest of the world does, particularly Europe, people here are against it! People assume rest of the world are stupid, Europeans/Canadians don't have any freedom, they all pay sky-high taxes, etc. etc.!

I'm also sick and tired of hearing, "Move to xxxx if you don't like it", or "We are the best nation on earth" baloney.... have normal conversation!

What's going on?! I guess we should make it mandatory for high school and college students taking a semester abroad to Europe in order to learn and have their eyes open, perhaps then they will change their mind rather than listening to their right wing media, parents' or grand parents or others that influence them!
Brainwashing is what you get when you have a government sanctioned media propaganda machine and idol worship.
 
Old 06-13-2015, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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We're not brainwashed, we're truly the best nation that has ever been on earth. Most people realize that. As one world leader stated while defending America....."judge a nation on which way the people run when there are no walls."
To be fair, I don't think this is a good argument that America is the best nation. In the first place, the people coming to America are mostly people from developing countries. People from rich countries don't come here.

As a reference-point, if all nations threw down their walls, and those same third-world residents could choose between America and welfare-states such as Sweden, Norway, Denmark, or even Canada; Would they still choose the United States?

America mostly gets poor immigrants from Latin-America and Asia, and Europe gets poor immigrants from Africa and the Middle-East. This has mostly to do with proximity.


With that said, I think a lot of poor and middle-class Americans would gladly leave this country if they could go anywhere they wanted, anytime they wanted. I don't think the same could be said about Norway.


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Oh, BTW.....the constitution IS the law of the land, not the socialist manifesto.....so yea, if you don't like it here, leave. America also gives you the freedom to do just that. The problem is that most who despise our system actually couldn't survive in ANY industrialized nation and wouldn't want to live in undeveloped nations.
Before you go on a tirade about the Constitution. Lets understand, the Constitution doesn't really exist. Whatever you think the Constitution says, is unlikely to match up with what the Supreme Court thinks it says.


Not only has the Constitution been reinterpreted over time, but parts of the Constitution were provably illegally ratified. And also, their current meaning often came many decades after the fact.

For instance, the Bill of Rights, prior to the "incorporation doctrine" circa ~1925(long after the 1868 illegal ratification of the 14th amendment), didn't even apply to the states. It was only a limitation on the Federal government.

Furthermore, anyone who has ever glanced at the Confederate Constitution, will see MANY articles in it that are a great improvement over our current Constitution.


I find it obnoxious and tiring to hear libertarians rant about how great the Constitution is, and how we should be following the Constitution. Who sit around all day long complaining about how infallible the Constitution is, but that simply, the government has been ignoring it. Such a belief is utterly delusional.


And I would challenge anyone who still believes such a flawed view of the Constitution, to read Lysander Spooner's "No Treason".


I'll give you its summary...

"Inasmuch as the Constitution was never signed, nor agreed to, by anybody, as a contract, and therefore never bound anybody, and is now binding upon nobody; and is, moreover, such an one as no people can ever hereafter be expected to consent to, except as they may be forced to do so at the point of the bayonet, it is perhaps of no importance what its true legal meaning, as a contract, is.

Nevertheless, the writer thinks it proper to say that, in his opinion, the Constitution is no such instrument as it has generally been assumed to be; but that by false interpretations, and naked usurpations, the government has been made in practice a very widely, and almost wholly, different thing from what the Constitution itself purports to authorize.

He has heretofore written much, and could write much more, to prove that such is the truth. But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain – that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist."


Lysander Spooner – No Treason No. 6: The Constitution of No Authority
 
Old 06-14-2015, 02:08 AM
 
Location: Sector 001
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I'm for all these things except your whole gun grabbing mentality. They are really just tools and quite fun to shoot at a range.. it's just a matter of proper education... the emotional ranting and screaming by people who have never even shot firearms or attended a safety course is what gets me... if you have no experience with something, don't act as though you are an expert.. keep your mouth shut.

Of course people do this all the time... assert opinions on things without practical experience to back it up. It's one reason americans are so 'against' some of the socialist things you mention like national health care. Herd mentality. It's what they are told and it's what is 'popular opinion' where they live.. just like you anti-gun folk in Europe.

The reason not to switch to the metric system is there's no compelling reason to switch... it would be expensive to replace all the signs and there's a huge number of roads in the great plains that were constructed in one mile increments also known as squares... also Fahrenheit is superior to Celsius for temperature.. it's easy to tell someone how warm it will be outside by saying it will be in the "70's" today... or "40"s" today... each range has it's own distinct "feel" to it that gives one an idea of what to expect. Please try to have some tolerance for other culture's differences.. I know most people around the world do not and think their way is the only way... it's human nature.

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