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The issue isn`t and never has been about same-sex marriage.
OK. But then what do we do with:
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Marriage laws that exist don`t apply well to same-sex coupes and a serious effort to craft new laws that would address the needs of all unions could have been undertaken were same-sex marriage anything but a ruse by which to harness the power of the state to redefine a word as a means to reassign thought.
you assume that because someone is against gay marriage they must be a bigot, so oyu are prejudging people before getting all the facts. then ok, the bible says judge not lest ye be judged, thus if you want to judge me, for instance, to be a bigot, then you must understand that you too are a bigot yourself. you have no clue about how i feel about gay people, minorities, etc. yet you step up and judge out of hand.
and that is fine, you go ahead and jump to conclusions without facts, perhaps you can hope that others wont treat you the same way.
"If you don't embrace my intolerance, you're intolerant yourself, so nyah!" is not exactly a new argument.
If you're intolerant of other types of people, such as gays, to the point of putting in a lot of effort to deny them basic rights, then you're a bigot. Sorry, that's just the definition.
you still dont get it do you? again you show that you have absolutely NO CLUE about what i think about gays, or minorities, in general. you assume that because i oppose gay marriage that i must be a bigot, because you have not read any of my posts on the matter, you just see the words "oppose" and "gay" forget the rest and jump ot the conclusion that i am a bigot. as i said, judge not lest ye be judged, since you are judging me to be a bigot, you must also be a bigot.
now if you wish you can go back and actually READ my posts on the subject, and use some of your limited reading comprehension skills, and perhaps actually find out what my opinions are on people. if you decide to not be lazy and actually read my posts, then get back to me and we can talk. until then
you still dont get it do you? again you show that you have absolutely NO CLUE about what i think about gays, or minorities, in general. you assume that because i oppose gay marriage that i must be a bigot, because you have not read any of my posts on the matter, you just see the words "oppose" and "gay" forget the rest and jump ot the conclusion that i am a bigot. as i said, judge not lest ye be judged, since you are judging me to be a bigot, you must also be a bigot.
now if you wish you can go back and actually READ my posts on the subject, and use some of your limited reading comprehension skills, and perhaps actually find out what my opinions are on people. if you decide to not be lazy and actually read my posts, then get back to me and we can talk. until then
It's a slow evening. Went back and looked, looks like you have garden variety opposition to gay people having relationship rights in a legal, secular context. Also looks like you once said that you have a right to discrimination as a matter of "free speech," which has been legally untrue in the USA for a long time now. What else do you want me to take into consideration?
I'm Catholic, conservative and don't care that gays can marry. It doesn't affect my life. However if a church doesn't support it they shouldn't be forced to do a gay or any other marriage.
I'm Catholic, conservative and don't care that gays can marry. It doesn't affect my life. However if a church doesn't support it they shouldn't be forced to do a gay or any other marriage.
The issue isn`t and never has been about same-sex marriage.
The issue is who makes the laws.
Of course a statist dreams of a dictatorship where the people are excluded from the process.
As for being called a bigot, if the best argument you can make to support your position is that I`m a big poopie-head, the jokes on you.
I have all sorts of reasoned arguments against the normalization of homosexuality, the redefining of marriage and pc thought police tactics in general.
Arguments in favor of normalizing homosexuality are generally self-contradictory, born of ignorance and based on erroneous assumptions.
Marriage laws were written exclusively for traditional couples at a time when same-sex marriage was beyond consideration.
Marriage laws that exist don`t apply well to same-sex coupes and a serious effort to craft new laws that would address the needs of all unions could have been undertaken were same-sex marriage anything but a ruse by which to harness the power of the state to redefine a word as a means to reassign thought.
This is a futile exercise since the human animal is hard-wired to seek truth and normalcy, and no act of government will change that.
Homosexuality will always be abnormal and at odds with the biological realities of normal sex.
A license from the state that says otherwise changes nothing.
What laws regarding marriage don't fit well for gay couples?
The argument in favor of normalizing homosexuality isn't universal. My take is 'mind your own damn business.' Some say love is love. There are a lot of different ones.
What truth are you referring to? It's true that only opposite sex couples can procreate. Outside of that truth, what are you dealing with? That homosexuality is immoral? What's true about it? What evidence exists? We do seek truth, but there's more to humans than that. It's why some believe the Earth is 6,000 years old. The truth the seek must also affirm them, blurring what constitutes as truth in their eyes.
Also, it's not at odds with anything. Abnormal, sure, but so if being 6'5". Abnormality is simply statistically less likely; any negative connotation that it had with it is personal. I see nothing wrong with being abnormal.
Also, cool it with this government take over crap. The power to redefine a word? Yeah, we're basically living in Nazi Germany...
The issue isn`t and never has been about same-sex marriage.
The issue is who makes the laws.
Of course a statist dreams of a dictatorship where the people are excluded from the process.
It isn't about same-sex marriage?
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As for being called a bigot, if the best argument you can make to support your position is that I`m a big poopie-head, the jokes on you.
I have all sorts of reasoned arguments against the normalization of homosexuality, the redefining of marriage and pc thought police tactics in general.
Arguments in favor of normalizing homosexuality are generally self-contradictory, born of ignorance and based on erroneous assumptions.
Marriage laws were written exclusively for traditional couples at a time when same-sex marriage was beyond consideration.
Marriage laws that exist don`t apply well to same-sex coupes and a serious effort to craft new laws that would address the needs of all unions could have been undertaken were same-sex marriage anything but a ruse by which to harness the power of the state to redefine a word as a means to reassign thought.
This is a futile exercise since the human animal is hard-wired to seek truth and normalcy, and no act of government will change that.
Homosexuality will always be abnormal and at odds with the biological realities of normal sex.
A license from the state that says otherwise changes nothing.
This isn't bigotry! It's common sense. Marriage is the union of a man and a woman, and it has been so for all of human history.
Bigotry has to do with intolerance or hatred of a racial or ethnic group.
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