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Old 07-02-2015, 05:36 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Strawman. I'm talking about things corporations and news media did like banned and black listed Trump for being pro-America and pro-American, and the banning of a historical and proud flag.
They took sides. They enforced PC.
Again, it's the same thing. Corporations reserve the right to strategically manage associations with partners based on many factors, including what those partners say and do. If a partner says and does things that conflict with the company's brand, they reserve the right to exit the relationship. What do you think, it's not in the contract? They have an army of lawyers to put in all these clauses at the outset. Why? Because corporations exist to make as much money as legally possible, and when they alienate their customers by being a platform for racist hate speech, that's bad for business. They don't need the drama.

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I'm siding against them now.
HAHA... I'm sure they're really worried; you'll make a big difference to them. (not)

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They should've stayed neutral like Switzerland.
Understand that when you're in a business arrangement with someone who turns out to be a very public racist, continuing to do business with them is NOT "staying neutral like Switzerland." If you keep them on board, you are CONDONING their opinions to your customers. Kicking them to the curb is staying neutral.
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Old 07-02-2015, 05:46 PM
 
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Again, it's the same thing. Corporations reserve the right to strategically manage associations with partners based on many factors, including what those partners say and do. If a partner says and does things that conflict with the company's brand, they reserve the right to exit the relationship. What do you think, it's not in the contract? They have an army of lawyers to put in all these clauses at the outset. Why? Because corporations exist to make as much money as legally possible, and when they alienate their customers by being a platform for racist hate speech, that's bad for business. They don't need the drama.


HAHA... I'm sure they're really worried; you'll make a big difference to them. (not)


Understand that when you're in a business arrangement with someone who turns out to be a very public racist, continuing to do business with them is NOT "staying neutral like Switzerland." If you keep them on board, you are CONDONING their opinions to your customers. Kicking them to the curb is staying neutral.
Define racist hate speech opposed to telling the truth. I'll wait.
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Old 07-02-2015, 05:47 PM
 
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Well there's no point in me to continue to respond to strawman and circular arguments. Some of these corporations are unnecessarily taking sides and pushing PC. I'm not the only one that notices and will take business else where.
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Old 07-02-2015, 05:49 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Define racist hate speech opposed to telling the truth. I'll wait.
Hate speech is speech that broadly and indiscriminately attacks a class of people instead of measuring arguments relative to the spectrum of diversity within that class of people... such as calling all Mexicans rapists. Or all Muslims terrorists. Or all black people unemployed gang members. Or all women mentally inferior to men (has been done in the past). Or all gays deviant. And yes, it can be aimed against conservatives, too. I know that was going to be your next question.

If you were to think that virulent blanket statements of this sort are "the truth," then there isn't much more to discuss.
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Old 07-02-2015, 05:52 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Yes, it is a form of discrimination that is perfectly legal in the private sector. You can call it discrimination against people who violate company policies. In other words, if you work at a corporation as an engineer and you decide to preach skinhead philosophy through a megaphone in the cafeteria at lunch, they do have a right to fire you. This was all in the paperwork you would have signed as a condition of your employment when you first started.

In summary, discrimination on the basis of race, creed, gender is prohibited. Discrimination on the basis of people who violate company harrassment policies they agreed to abide by as a condition of employment is not.

Where on earth did you get the impression that you're allowed to do whatever you want at a private employer?

Ok.......

So, if a Christian business owner who sees an employee posting pro gay rights statements on social media, he is within his rights to fire them because he finds such viewpoints personally offensive and does not wish to project that image to his customers?

Or does it only apply when the speech is politically incorrect according to the left?
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Old 07-02-2015, 05:53 PM
 
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So private actors are allowed to punish me cruelly and unusually? Private actors are allowed to confiscate my guns? Interesting.
I would think laws in compliance with the BOR would be your protection from private actors.

For example : Ben Affleck walked into your house and set down to dinner every night. There might be a law that would help you out of that situation. Even if the teenage daughters complained you might be able to stop him.
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Old 07-02-2015, 06:03 PM
 
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I would think laws in compliance with the BOR would be your protection from private actors.

For example : Ben Affleck walked into your house and set down to dinner every night. There might be a law that would help you out of that situation. Even if the teenage daughters complained you might be able to stop him.
So I guess then we need laws in compliance with the 1st to protect against private actors?

For example: If gay rights activist Felix saw me post something supporting Christian-owned caters should not have to serve same-sex weddings and tracked down my employer. My employer couldn't fire me for exercising my 1st amendment.

Maybe should create a better example but didn't want to think on it too much.
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Old 07-02-2015, 06:06 PM
 
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Well there's no point in me to continue to respond to strawman and circular arguments. Some of these corporations are unnecessarily taking sides and pushing PC. I'm not the only one that notices and will take business else where.
I'm sure losing your business will be indicated in their quarterly financial reports.
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Old 07-02-2015, 06:08 PM
 
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Hate speech is speech that broadly and indiscriminately attacks a class of people instead of measuring arguments relative to the spectrum of diversity within that class of people... such as calling all Mexicans rapists. Or all Muslims terrorists. Or all black people unemployed gang members. Or all women mentally inferior to men (has been done in the past). Or all gays deviant. And yes, it can be aimed against conservatives, too. I know that was going to be your next question.

If you were to think that virulent blanket statements of this sort are "the truth," then there isn't much more to discuss.
That isn't what Trump said though. He was referring to illegal aliens and he wasn't calling them all rapists.
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Old 07-02-2015, 06:17 PM
 
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I'm sure losing your business will be indicated in their quarterly financial reports.
What if they lose 10%, 50%? It could happen if people make the decision since the majority or at least a plurality are not in support of these banning and censoring. They took sides and possible against a majority.

Basically your attitude is "the corporations own you, you insignificant piece of dust haha". Well they can't collectively own us all if we band together.
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